[INTRODUCTION]

Hal Elrod: Hello and welcome to the Achieve Your Goals podcast. I’m your host, Hal Elrod, and I am thrilled to be joined by Kim DeYoung. She’ll be with me in just a minute, a brilliant author, coach, and entrepreneur who has dedicated her life to helping others unlock the power of their choices. In fact, Kim quite literally wrote the book on this topic. It’s titled, The Book of Choice, which is a deep dive into how the decisions that we make shape our lives in how to approach those decisions with far more intention and purpose.

Now, in today’s conversation, we will explore what it means to live an examined life, why this is the key to creating a meaningful and fulfilling existence. And Kim will also share insights from her Choice Mapping process, which is a powerful tool that she has developed to help people navigate even the most complex decisions with clarity and confidence. We’ll also dig into the different types of choices that people make, the common obstacles that can hold us back, and the practical steps anyone can take to start making intentional and thoughtful choices today. So, whether you’re struggling with a difficult decision or you’re simply looking to live with more intention and get yourself to make better choices and follow through with those choices, which we talk about today, this episode is packed with actionable advice and inspiration. So, grab a pen, take some notes, and you’re ready to gain some powerful tools for creating the life you truly want.

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Without further ado, I’m excited to introduce to you Kim DeYoung, and you’re going to hear, like, she walks me through this process today because I used to, before today’s episode, identify as an indecisive person. And she completely helped me reshape that narrative that I’ve been living by. So, now, I am decisive. I do make powerful choices. And I want you to, as well. Here we go.

[INTERVIEW]

Hal Elrod: Kim, as we were just saying, this is our first time meeting. I’m excited to finally meet you.

Kim DeYoung: Thank you. And as I was saying, I feel like I know you so well because I watch you all the time. I just love everything that you’re up to. So, it’s so good to be with you.

Hal Elrod: Well, I appreciate that. And now, I’m loving everything you’re up to, because I’ve been studying you, I’ve been watching videos of you, I’ve been learning about your work. And just for the audience, I mean, listening, you came highly recommended from Jon Berghoff, one of our mutual friends, my long-time friend. And Jon rarely recommends someone for my podcast. That’s a big deal. He doesn’t play that card very often. And he said, “Hey, there’s someone that I think you have to have on your podcast.” And when he shared who you were and he shared… I said, “What is she talking about?” That’s always my first question. He said, “She wrote a book called The Power of Choice.” And I go, okay, that’s universally applicable for every human being on the planet. So, I’m like, “Okay, I’m interested.”

And then I watch some of your videos. I go, “Wow, she’s a really good communicator. She’s very authentic and she knows her stuff.” So, it was an easy yes. And as we’ve been watching your videos and diving into your content, in fact, let’s start here. We’re talking about the power of choice today, how choices change your life, create your circumstances, a lot of different ways we can take this. As I said, it’s universally applicable. I just want to start, you literally wrote the book on this topic, The Book of Choice.

Kim DeYoung: The Book of Choice, yes.

Hal Elrod: In fact, let’s start there. What is The Book of Choice, other than the obvious, based on the title, what is it about, specifically? How is it going to help our reader?

Kim DeYoung: In a nutshell, in the simplest of sentences, it will help them to be more thoughtful and conscious about the choices they make. I teach a process at a deeper level that teaches them to become their own coach, become their own guide, because so many of us get caught in not having clarity when we make decisions, not feeling confident. And The Book of Choice supports you to feel that confidence to move forward with your choices.

Hal Elrod: So, something just came up for me, as you were talking, I’m thinking, okay, I think most people understand, like my choices determine my destiny, my life, etc. However, my question right now is the nuance between choice and discipline, choice and follow-through, right? Because somebody might go, I’ve made lots of great choices, but I don’t follow. Like in the moment, I’m like, I’m choosing to get in shape this year, right? But then, they don’t actually make them momentary, the day-to-day choices that actually will follow through with the choice they thought they made. So, where is that gap? Or speak to that, the gap between choice and then discipline to follow through with the choices that you make.

Kim DeYoung: It’s a great question. And honestly, I don’t ever think I’ve been asked it that way. And what I love about it is that the choice is the bigger picture embodiment of what matters to you. So, take your health, take self-care. I choose to focus on my self-care. Well, that’s a big choice. Now, with that, you must take action. So, that’s kind of where the discipline comes in. I am going to get up at six in the morning and do my thing. I am going to be conscious of the foods that I eat. I am going to be conscious of the water that I drink, but it comes from the overarching statement to yourself of I choose to be conscious about my self-care or some examples of that.

Hal Elrod: So, is it fair to say choice is, it kind of choices the… I think decision would be a synonym with the word choice, but also intention, maybe, like choice is where you finally decide, hey, I’m going to do this. And then when you wake up the next morning, you’re faced with the choice of, okay, am I going to do the thing that I chose yesterday or am I not, right? So, it really still boils down to, like, now, you’re just making a choice to follow through with the bigger choice that you made. Is that fair to say?

Kim DeYoung: Well, 100%. And a lot of it, it’s like, why does the choice matter that you’re even focusing on doing it? So, if you’ve embodied this thought, I mean, just take Miracle Morning, for example. If someone were to say I choose to really embody the Miracle Morning, that’s different than doing it. Like, this is something I want in my life. Now, the reality is there are actions to take. Like, you’ve got to get up, you’ve got to do your thing. So, it’s the question of like, why does that matter to me? Why do I want to get up and do that? Why do I care? What do I know that’s going to bring into my life? And I think having that real sense of why it matters, that is what allows you to then to begin to take the actions that support you moving forth with the choice.

Hal Elrod: Yeah, it was Simon Sinek that made the power of why, like, how important that is. And for me, that’s the fuel. Like, you make the choice and then you’ve got to be clear on why do I make that choice? Why am I doing this? And then find reasons that are so meaningful to you that when you don’t feel like doing it, you remember why you committed to it, why you made that choice, and then you follow through.

One of the things I’ve heard you talk about is living an examined life. And I mean, I heard you explain it, so now I know what it’s about. But at first glance, I’m like, what does she mean by an examined life? And my brain was like an intentional life, like a self-aware life. So, what does it mean to live an examined life? And why is that important?

Kim DeYoung: So, when I say the opportunity to live an examined life, it’s a life that’s thoughtful. It’s a life that’s conscious. It’s a life that’s intentional. I mean, almost, I can actually explain it best to say what’s the opposite. So, imagine if you are not bringing intentionality into your choices and life is just happening to you, who wants to live that life where you’re not in control versus saying like, I choose to bring intentionality to my life, I want to be thoughtful about the things that I do, I want to bring that consciousness into what I do? I happen to use the term I choose to live an examined life. Some people may or may not resonate with that word. I think an easy substitute is I choose to live an intentional life.

Hal Elrod: Yeah, it is interesting. Language is so interesting, right? Like, very intentional. That resonates, like, got examined, right? So, I think it’s important that, when we learn concepts, that we take language that works for us and potentially adapt a lesson that someone else shared in the language that works for them on. Can you give me some examples of the different types of meaningful choices people make? I’ve heard you say that we make… I heard a stat you shared. I think, 35,000 choices a day. That seems like a lot to me.

And then you’re talking about the little ones, like, what am I going to eat today? What am I going to wear? For me, the shirt I’m wearing, I have 23 of these and I wear the same shirt every single day because I don’t want that decision fatigue. I try to minimize the amount of choices, so that I can focus my limited mental energy on the choices that really matter. So, give us some examples of the different types of choices that people make, both meaningful, the big ones, the little ones, the difference is between the two.

Kim DeYoung: Yeah. So, at the simplest, so I actually kind of put choices into three different buckets. So, you’ve got your simple choices, which is what am I eating, what am I wearing, and all of that. And you’re right, I have heard that 35,000 statistic, which, when you think about it, it’s like, am I turning left? Am I turning right? Am I eating this vegetable, that vegetable? Like, you can imagine all of that. And the truth is, if you start to get stumped on those little ones, it does get in the way of the bigger ones.

The next bucket of choice is what I call the momentary choice. This is kind of when you are in a moment and you have a binary decision to make. Will I work on my project or will I spend time with my child? Will I clean the kitchen or will I do that project that’s been calling to me? It’s a yes or no. There’s not enormous weight. But again, you can imagine, like if you become the bottleneck in your own life for that, then there is the bucket. And this is the bucket that I focus on most in my conversation are the proactive choices, the choices that you know that when you’re making them, they’re making a difference for you.

And those choices, it can be the gamut. I mean, it can be choices that are professional choices that you’re making, personal choices, relationship choices. So, I choose to start a new job. I choose to leave the company. I choose to get into a new relationship or… I’m being very high level at the moment, or I choose to leave a relationship that I’m in or I choose to work on a relationship that I’m in because it’s not where I want it to be. And then the gamut of personal choices, I choose to work with a new coach or therapist. I choose to focus on my self-care. I choose to travel. They can be bigger choices or they can get a little bit more granular. But I think, the key is knowing the choices that you are putting your energy into, and are you really embodying that choice? That’s really the key thing.

Hal Elrod: I think that a big challenge for people, I know for me is when we make choices purely out of emotion and we have mixed emotions. In fact, I’m a very indecisive person. Like, my wife will tell you, I’m a very indecisive person. Actually, I think, this episode is very much for me. And so, I know you have what you call your choice mapping process. And I want you to unpack this because I know that for me, having a framework of like, oh, okay, here’s the criteria that I’m using to make this decision, right? Or here’s the criteria that I’m using to choose the foods I choose at a restaurant, right? Versus like, ooh, yum, what looks good. It’s like, no, for me, I have criteria. It needs to be organic if it’s produce, right? If it’s beef, it needs to be grass fed. If it’s chicken, it needs to be pasture raised. Like, I have all this criteria. And so, it makes it really easy. Like, there’s only a handful of restaurants in all of Austin, Texas that I go to because that actually fit that criteria. By the way, The Well, for anyone in Austin, Texas, The Well is my favorite restaurant that fits all the criteria. Just, yeah, so anyway, but talk about your choice mapping process so people have an understanding of, okay, how do I make these choices? What’s the criteria that I use?

Kim DeYoung: Yeah. So, Choice Mapping is a tool that I developed that helps you. Actually, it’s a creative visual tool that helps you to look at the details of a choice. So, I’m sure many you, others that are listening are familiar with the traditional pro and con list. You sort of make those lists. Choice Mapping specifically helps you to go deeper into the inquiry of the why you’re making a choice, why it matters what could hold you back, what becomes possible for you because of that choice and the actions you’ll take.

So, for any choice that does have weight to it, this becomes a simple tool for you to say, “Let me look at these questions.” And you can choose to go as deep as you want in the inquiry with the questions, but it essentially gives you a tool that on one piece of paper you can have your own information about why does that choice matter? And do I… yes, we may have fears about stepping into a choice. So, let’s just imagine a business choice. I choose to get involved in a new business relationship. Well, you may have certain fears about it, but if it matters enough and if what feels possible is exciting enough, that may pull you forth. And of course, if you now create some actions that will allow you to move forth with it, now you move forth.

But here’s the key piece. Like, let’s imagine you’re a couple of months into the relationship and it’s not feeling good or you’re not in that space and something, you go back to your map to evaluate, like, do the pieces and the things that I shared initially, do they still ring true? If not, tweak them, so they do. So, the map can become this living, breathing document that truly captures your truth for where you are at a moment. It’s a very powerful tool.

Hal Elrod: Where can we get that? Is that online? Is that in the book, both? Like, where can we find that?

Kim DeYoung: So, in the Book of Choice, I teach how to create the maps. I go from very, very simple. It’s a very… I teach a process that anybody can relate to and apply.

Hal Elrod: Got it, okay. Yeah, because I want… that sounds very valuable because I don’t have that criteria. Again, I have, for specific choices, like health choices or this or that, but overall, for these major life choices, I don’t have that process. How did you get into this? How did you start.. how did you become a coach, specifically focusing on helping people make choices? How did this whole line of work find you or how did you find it?

Kim DeYoung: Yeah, it did find me. I will say that. I had been a coach for quite a while and a little more than a decade ago, I was interviewed about something I was doing and someone asked me a question that caused me to respond, “Oh, when we make choices and take action, how does our life unfold?” And that just sat with me after I left that interview and I thought, how does our life unfold when we make a choice and begin taking action? Which caused me to go back to a particular choice I had made a bit of time ago, and to look at it and to notice it from the vantage point of, oh, I made this particular choice. And from that choice I met this person, had this opportunity, this idea, this thought.

And now, I’m looking at a two-year window in a mind mapping software of all the stuff I’ve created. And it was a really fascinating vantage point, first of all, to look back on the two years from the deep gratitude of had I not made this choice two years ago, look what would not be in my life. But then and also, really interesting vantage point of what new choice could I make today and what could become possible. So, I was sitting in this space of this initial map that I created and I shared it with a friend who wanted one. And next thing you know, a year has gone by and I’ve had 29 conversations and I’m digging into the choices that people had made, not realizing that I was developing a process.

But what happened at the end of that one year after having had gorgeous conversations with people about all sorts of choices, I realized I had a very unusual vantage point about choice that most don’t. And I realized that we all make choices. None of us are immune to them. And how could I take what I had learned, both from the exploration for myself and of others and craft it into something that would be valuable for others?

Hal Elrod: Interesting. And then got into coaching and writing the book. What are some of the common obstacles that people face when they’re trying to make intentional choices? Are there obstacles that come up regularly? Obviously, in your work, I’m sure you see them. How could you overcome them?

Kim DeYoung: I would say the biggest obstacle I hear often is people stating that they are indecisive. I think we have known to be…

Hal Elrod: Oh, like I did earlier?

Kim DeYoung: You just did. And I’m not saying it’s not rooted in a truth. But is there an opportunity for you to change that label? I mean, that’s an interesting thing. It’s like, I think we’ve grown accustomed to, oh, I don’t make decisions easily. Oh, they’re hard. I get caught in analysis paralysis. I’d rather put my head in the sand. Like, you hear these types of things that people say, “Oh, decisions are hard.” Imagine, I mean, this one might be a fun exercise for you of, like, to wake up tomorrow and say, “I make decisions easily,” and just experiment with that.

But I certainly see that that is probably the overarching thing that people say. And one of the benefits of what mapping gives to you is this ability to pull all of this information out of yourself. Like, when you’re creating a map, in theory, you are becoming your own coach. Like, you’re having your own internal Q&A with yourself. And the more honest and the deeper you go, the more information that you get. And hopefully, in the process, that is giving you this ability to move forth with that decision that matters to you and thus, become more decisive.

Hal Elrod: Well, that’s powerful. And it’s funny because I’m like, as you’re saying this, I mean, affirmation is one of my expertise that I teach all the time. And then I’m realizing, I’m affirming, still that I am… we all have blind spots, right? Like, oh, I wasn’t even aware that that’s an area that I keep affirming that I’m not decisive and I’m not… I struggle with choices and all the things. So, what you just shared brought up that for me, that, yeah. So, number one, it’s an internal, like, hey, you’ve got to overcome that limiting belief and replace it with a liberating truth. That’s my friend Michael Hyatt says, a liberating truth of like, I am good at making choices or I’m becoming better or I’m choosing to be decisive, right? Like, you take ownership of whatever that is.

And then the second piece is, like reading your book, the Book of Choice, it’s like, oh, now, I understand how to make choices because if you don’t learn how to make choices, you don’t learn the choice mapping, your frameworks, then it’s like, it’s a lot harder to overcome the limiting… It’s like saying, I’m terrible at basketball. And then you don’t practice basketball. And so, yeah, you’re still probably not good because you don’t do it. But if you learn technique and you learn processes and you learn… now, oh, it’s a lot easier to overcome the limiting because I think that’s part of it is not just I’m good at this, it’s like I’m committed to getting good at this, which is very different.

Kim DeYoung: And that’s a key language, like what you’ve just said. And I actually… like, for example, when I work with anybody who’s creating a map, I always invite them to begin with a clear “I choose” statement. I choose to focus on my health. I choose to get a new job. I choose to embark on a new relationship. But sometimes, there’s an opportunity to soften that language, to say, I choose to explore getting into a relationship, I choose to explore finding a new job, which is a very different energy. And similar to what you are describing, it can be… it might sound, feel a bit abrupt to wake up and say, I am a decisive human being. Great affirmation. But it can also be softened of I am in the process of believing. I am a decisive human being. That might be something that you can internalize a little bit more realistically and therefore, embody it and move forward with it.

Hal Elrod: It’s so important you said that. I think that’s the biggest hangup for people with affirmations is they’ve been taught by these well-meaning self-help gurus to affirm something that is not true for them, right? I am wealthy. I am decisive. But your subconscious knows your reality. It’s like, no, you’re not, and you never have been. And I can show you all the evidence that you need to tell you that you just are lying to yourself right now. You’re like, “Dang it.” So, there’s this internal conflict, versus like, yeah, I’m in the process of I’m committed to, I’m working through, I’m getting better, right? That is true. And yeah, that’s great. So, if somebody right now is listening and they’re like, “Oh, I wish I could ask him this question, I’m struggling with making a difficult choice right now,” what advice would you give to somebody who’s struggling right now with a difficult choice?

Kim DeYoung: Great, great question. I would have him get clear on what exactly is the choice that they want to be making, like, to put that into words, whether it is an “I choose” statement or “I choose to explore” statement. So, that would be number one. And I would have them go through the questions, go through the like, why does this choice matter to me? And put a couple of reasons as to why. And if you want to go deeper with that, absolutely do.

Number two, absolutely look at what could get in my way of making that choice. What fears, what limiting beliefs, what obstacles could get there? And then as the key thing that happens is when you write those things down, you get to this, to be able to look at it with adult eyes, to say like, “Am I really going to let that particular fear get in the way of making this choice that I’ve just clarified matters to me? Or is this limiting belief, is it kind of old, like it is really, doesn’t have the charge that I think it does?” And you can look at it with adult eyes. Maybe it does and you have to address it.

Secondarily, you really, really want to look at what becomes possible for you when you make this choice. So, now, you’re in this very interesting place of like, okay, I know the choice matters. I’ve got some things that could hold me back, but I’ve also got some things that really excite me. So, now, you’re in this little bit of a tug of war of like, am I going to let this stuff hold me back when I see what’s really possible? And this is where you get to kind of own that for yourself. And then, of course, what actions will I take? What actions will I take tomorrow to move this choice forward? And immediately, the minute you begin to take action, momentum works in your favor. You do your part, and then the synchronicities and nuances of life begin to happen. They always do. And you continue that process.

Hal Elrod: Everyone listening, rewind about two minutes, and Kim just gave you gold, like that is… Kim, I just thought about liberation, like liberation through perspective change, right? What you just did is you took someone who was stuck, right? I’m stuck. I don’t know what to do. And then through those steps of identifying the choice, looking at the obstacles that could hold them back, looking at… fast forwarding, going, okay, what’s possible if I make that choice, and then what steps do I have to take, why it is important. Like, that whole process, all of a sudden… it is amazing how… I forgot what, I was recently stuck with something and then I was talking to somebody else and they… just by asking a few questions, like just changing perspective, I’m like, “Oh, wait.” And all of a sudden, you’re liberated. You’re like, “I’m no longer stuck.” And nothing logistically changed. My perspective just shifts. New possibilities became evident to me that I was blind to before. That, yeah, so powerful.

Kim DeYoung: Perspective is everything. I mean, it’s enormous to be able to shift your perspective. And I think when you start to have a few positive experiences of what happens when you shift your perspective, it becomes that much easier to know that that’s a tool for yourself going forward.

Hal Elrod: Can you just summarize those steps again for me? Anybody listening, so if you’re listening right now and you’re struggling to make a difficult decision, and I think that what you just walk us through is really applicable to any decision that we need to make significant. Walk us through those steps again, because they were powerful.

Kim DeYoung: Okay. Number one, get clear on your “I choose” statement. I choose to focus on my health. I choose to explore a new job. Whatever that’s going to be, get clear on the statement first.

Hal Elrod: And it’s aspirational, it sounds like, right? Like, this is an aspirational.

Kim DeYoung: Yes, yes. It’s affirming. It’s what you want to bring into your life. So, yes, aspirational. So, you’ve now made that choice. Or you stated that I choose that. Let’s just take you, for example, Hal, like tell me a choice. Like, you were saying, you’re indecisive. What is a choice you know you need to be making right now?

Hal Elrod: Oh, man, oh, now, you’re… let me think. What’s a choice that I need to make? All right, so I’ve got some… let me think through work stuff. I’ve got a lot of things in my work that I want to do. Oh, so it’s whether or not I write The Miracle Life, which is a more of a self-help book, like The Miracle Morning and the Miracle Equation, or do I write a memoir, which I could title The Miracle Life? So, it’s basically the choice between do I write another self-help book, right? I do share my story within it. Or I just had Tucker Max on a webinar on writing a memoir, and he kind of convinced me, like, “Hal, you need to write a memoir where it’s pure story. You don’t teach anything.” And so, that’s a choice I’m trying to make now, is like, how do I decide between the two? And I thought I was going to write the self-help book, and now, I just had a new possibility of writing this other book.

Kim DeYoung: So, interestingly for you, you are the perfect example to say I choose to explore which type of book I want to write because you know you’re writing a book, so that’s not the choice. So, yours is I choose to explore which book I will write. So, now, you can go through those questions. Why does that matter to me? And that will help you to sort of unpack that. And I would recommend going deeper and deeper, like, yes, come up with a couple of things for yourself, but then pull apart those threads a bit. Now, you’re going to look at what could get in my way of making that choice. You’re sitting with I choose to explore which type of book I will make. What fears, obstacles, limiting beliefs could get in your way of that? What becomes possible for you as you make the choice of which one? Because you know, as you make the choice of which one, now, you’re going to move forward because you’re going to put the other one aside, you’re going to focus on the thing that you want.

And now, you will have the ammunition, the umph, the ready to get up to start with this thing that matters to you. And then, now that you’re kind of in that dreaming aspirational possibility place, now, you will take the clear action and you will have realized, like, oh, I want to go down this lane. And now, you put the other one aside and you will focus on where you are.

Hal Elrod: What’s interesting, just by you asking those questions, what came up for me was, and it was the question around like, what becomes possible, something like that. It’s like, well, I’ve never written a memoir. So, to me, that is the obvious choice. I can always write another self-help book. I’ve written plenty of those, but a memoir, I’ve never done that. And I’m a big believer, like I read John Maxwell’s book Failing Forward decades ago, and I’m like, everything’s an experiment to me, right? I’m like, maybe this will be the worst decision ever. Let’s find out, right? But it’s like, but doing something new…

Kim DeYoung: So, why does it matter? Because I want to do something new and something fun and something that I’ve never done before. I mean, that’s a beautiful, valid reason as to why. And imagine, starts from now that you may have landed on memoir, just in this short moment, begin to imagine, like, okay, what could become possible if I really write this memoir? What starts to happen for me, for others, for people who hear my story? What’s the impact in the world, not just for you, but for others, for your family, for those that haven’t even met you yet? Like, you can start to really go there. And now, all of a sudden, it’s like, wait, now I kind of know the actions I want to take. Like, I wanted to start writing. I want to get started and work on that. And it may support you to more comfortably put the other book to the side for the moment. You can always come back to it.

Hal Elrod: Totally.

Kim DeYoung: Always.

Hal Elrod: Awesome. Kim, well, we could talk forever. I honestly want people to get your book because it’s like, let’s take this wisdom and take it from a 30-minute podcast to a three-week reading experience. That’s what I always say, but to be with… it’s like, that’s the power of reading a book is you watch a video, you read a blog, you’re thinking about the thing for five minutes, right? But when you read someone’s book, you’re really getting to go deep. And when you’re in the shower, later in the day after you read the book in the morning, oh, idea based on what… and then the compounding effect of that is powerful. So, the book is The Power of Choice…

Kim DeYoung: The Book of Choice.

Hal Elrod: The Book of Choice, thank you, that literally, it’s the official book of choice, and people can grab it. I’d imagine Amazon or wherever books are sold.

Kim DeYoung: Yes.

Hal Elrod: Okay. I mean, where can people follow you to get more Kim DeYoung wisdom?

Kim DeYoung: I would say, if you go to my site, KimDeYoung.com, everything is accessible there. You can get my links to Instagram, to LinkedIn, etc. What I will say is really fun on my site is access to a quiz that I created, which is how to know the type of decision maker you are. So, are you the rhino who charges forth? Are you the ostrich who puts your head in the sand? Like, to understand who you are, but also the strengths of who you are and also the opportunities for growth. So, that’s a great thing to take and you can get access to that from the site.

Hal Elrod: That’ll give you some self-awareness. So, KimDeYoung.com, and The Book of Choice, y’all, go grab a copy. Yeah, Kim, I’m so grateful that we got this time together. And I mean, I could see just your expertise around choice, it’s such an important topic. So, I think that we do this again. This should be like an annual…

Kim DeYoung: No doubt.

Hal Elrod: Yeah, yeah.

Kim DeYoung: Well, I want to chat with you about your direction. You’ve got some exciting stuff coming up. You and I should have a part 2 on you stepping into your decisiveness to get your book done.

Hal Elrod: I love it. Awesome. All right, Kim, thank you so much.

Kim DeYoung: So beautiful.

Hal Elrod: And goal achievers and members of the Miracle Morning Community, you know I love you so much and I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Kim. Go grab her book, The Book of Choice, to help you be more decisive and make the choices that matter to you so that you can use choice to make changes in your life. Love you so much. Talk to you next week.

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