[INTRODUCTION]

Hal Elrod: Hello, friend, welcome to the Achieve Your Goals podcast. This is your host, Hal Elrod, and today, you are in for a treat. You’re going to meet two extraordinary human beings, Holly Bertone and Karen Stringer. It’s not very often I have two people on the podcast, but you’re going to hear their transformations, real-life transformations from their Miracle Morning practice, and how they use their Miracle Morning and their SAVERS to create extraordinary results in their personal and professional lives so that you can apply what they’ve done, what they’ve learned, and how they’re approaching their Miracle Morning to do the same.

Now, Karen Stringer grew up herding goats at the foothills of Cherangani in the Rift Valley of Kenya. Her parents were farmers not because they wanted to make money, but because that’s how they fed their family. And money was so hard to come by that her parents couldn’t afford to pay for her education, which meant that her dream of becoming a college professor one day might have as well been an impossibility. However, she now holds a PhD, is the founder of a company, and a mom to two beautiful kids and a wife to an incredible man. And you’ll hear today how her Miracle Morning for the past 12 years has enabled her to achieve her professional dreams and show up as the best version of herself for her family so that you can do the same. You’ll also meet Holly Bertone, former FBI Chief of Staff for Counterintelligence, turned Certified Holistic Health Coach, and hear how Holly’s used her Miracle Mornings to navigate a difficult divorce and come out on the other side, living the life of her dreams as a keynote speaker, host of Your Midlife Comeback Story podcast, and again, a health coach for women in their midlife.

Before we dive into this powerful episode, I have a question for you. Ever wake up feeling like you’ve been taken captive by your mattress, like your bed refuses to let you go and start your day? Yeah, I think we’ve all been there. What if you could wake up feeling energized, focused, and ready to win the day without needing a gallon of coffee? That’s exactly what the Miracle Morning Routine app is here for. This isn’t just another alarm clock. It’s your personal wake-up coach guiding you through the simple, yet powerful six-step SAVERS routine that’s helped millions start their days with clarity, confidence, and momentum.

The Miracle Morning Book teaches you how to do the Miracle Morning. The Miracle Morning App is your guide, your coach holding your hand through the entire process and giving you a guided SAVERS practice, tracking devices, built-in journal, affirmations creator, you name it. So, no more hitting snooze a dozen times, no more waking up reactive, just purpose-driven mornings that help you become the best version of yourself. If you’re ready to stop dragging and start thriving, download the Miracle Morning Routine app today and try the premium-plus version that comes with live events and allows you to share the app with another person at no additional charge and try it free for seven days today, because your best life starts before everyone else hits snooze.

All right. Without further ado, it is my great honor to introduce you to two long-time Miracle Morning practitioners, Holly Bertone and Karen Stringer, to share their story of how they’ve transformed their life with the Miracle Morning so that you can, too.

[INTERVIEW]

Hal Elrod: I am here with Karen Stringer and Holly Bertone. It is so great to be with you all.

Karen Stringer: Great to be here.

Holly Bertone: Yeah, great to be here.

Hal Elrod: This is such a long time coming. I mentioned this is the first time I’ve ever actually done this where I’m just interviewing Miracle Morning practitioners, having a conversation about the impact that it’s made in your life. And for years, one of my good friends, Brianna Greenspan, who runs the Miracle Morning Schools Program, has said, “We need a Miracle Morning podcast, where all you do is have a conversation with these amazing people who have had amazing Miracle Morning transformations.” And so, I was joking with y’all before we started the recording, like, “Y’all, this is the experiment.” So, no pressure, like this may determine whether or not we keep doing these in the future.

Holly Bertone: Oh, that’s great.

Hal Elrod: Yeah. So, thanks for being here today.

Holly Bertone: Yeah, thanks for having us.

Karen Stringer: Thank you very much.

Hal Elrod: So, I was preparing for it today. I was reading up about both of you, and you both have extraordinary stories and extraordinary backgrounds, like pre-Miracle Morning. Miracle Morning, I’m sure already enhanced what was already there. But Holly, you’re a former FBI Chief of Staff for Counterintelligence, right? That was your background.

Holly Bertone: Correct.

Hal Elrod: Turned Certified Holistic Health Coach who helps women in midlife. Yeah?

Holly Bertone: Correct, yes.

Hal Elrod: Yeah. You might be the only one in the world that fits that description, right? Like, pretty remarkable. All right. And then, Karen, you grew up on a farm in Kenya herding goats with your parents, correct?

Karen Stringer: Yeah.

Hal Elrod: And then if I understand, money was tight, and so your parents couldn’t afford to pay for your education, but your dream was to be a professor and you somehow found a way. And now, you have your PhD, is that correct?

Karen Stringer: Yes, that is correct. And when we think about like Africa and your typical village kid, that was me.

Hal Elrod: That’s you? And you live where now?

Karen Stringer: Right now, I’m in St. Louis, Missouri.

Hal Elrod: St. Louis, Missouri. And when did you move from Kenya to America?

Karen Stringer: In 2007, so after my parents and the situation that we were in, somebody was always ready to pay for my school. Like, I would find people walk up to them and say, this is my situation. I really can’t do anything else with my life, but I’m smart and you’re willing to help me with my school. And somebody was always there. And that’s how I ended up at the University of Nairobi studying Swahili and history.

And then just before I finished, somebody said, “Hey, would you like to go to the US and teach Swahili?” I’m like, “Sure. How does that work?” He says, “Just do the GERI, and if you get the right credit, then you’ll get a scholarship.” I only applied to one school, the Ohio State University, and they had what they needed and that’s how I came. They said, “We’re going to pay you to teach Swahili and we’re going to pay for your school fee.” In 2007, I ended up at the Ohio State University as a teaching assistant..

Hal Elrod: It reminds me of the Miracle Equation, right? Unwavering faith and extraordinary effort. Like, you had unwavering faith, even though so many people in your situation would have been like, I have no money, my parents have no money. There’s no way that dreams are ever going to come true. But you had faith that it would and you put forth that extraordinary effort. You asked people and then you made it happen. That’s a beautiful story.

Karen Stringer: Yeah.

Hal Elrod: Holly, how does one become an FBI agent, Counterintelligence? Like, I don’t even understand all of that.

Holly Bertone: Yeah, that’s a great question, Hal. So, do you want to know how I got into the FBI or how I became a health coach from the FBI?

Hal Elrod: Yeah, I guess, kind of sequentially both.

Holly Bertone: Okay, sure. So, this was post-9/11. I was actually doing some government consulting. I lived in Alexandria, Virginia, so right outside of Washington, D.C., and it was just the big industry there, 9/11 happened. I applied for my security clearance. And when I got my top secret clearance, one of my former managers contacted me, and he’s like, “Hey, do you want to come down to Quantico and work at the FBI?” Which was a dream come true. I think I had wanted to work there since I was 17.

Hal Elrod: Wow.

Holly Bertone: And then, so it was all– and you got to remember, back in the early 2000s, the Internet was still relatively new. Systems were very antiquated, and the agencies didn’t talk to each other. So, I was in project management, I wasn’t an agent, but I would basically go in and take all the disparate pieces that came out of the 9/11 Commission and the WMD Commission from Congress, take these disparate pieces of the FBI and put them together.

And I guess they liked what I did because when I was 38, which I was very young, they promoted me to the Chief of Staff, the GS-15 Chief of Staff for Counterintelligence, which was a huge honor because, number one, I was young. Number two, I was female. Number three, I was not an agent. So, that was just unheard of. Yeah, and interestingly, we can get into the full story a little bit later. But what I do now is I actually use the same tactics that we used in FBI Counterintelligence in terms of looking at patterns and threats and trends and use those same tactics to help high-achieving women and successful women in midlife really break free from emotional eating so that they can get to a healthy weight, but more importantly than that, really be able to maintain those habits, so they have this for life.

Hal Elrod: Wow. Wow, it’s amazing how– one of my early mentors had learned something from everything. Like, that you can learn something from, for example, one business even though– or a different industry and then go, how could I apply that to my industry? So, I love that you did that, right, and using that in your midlife coaching.

Holly Bertone: Yeah. And a threat is a threat. I always like to joke. I said you got Russian spies on one side and you’ve got cake day at the office on the other side. I mean, a threat is a threat. It’s the same skill set.

Hal Elrod: It’s interesting. Yeah, that is really interesting. So, getting into Miracle Morning kind of that journey, and Karen, I’ll go back to you, just share the story, how you discovered the Miracle Morning and why you decided to give it a try. Where did you discover it? Why did you decide to give it a try? What were those early days like?

Karen Stringer: So, one thing I’ve loved about what you always say is the fact that there’s really nothing new under the sun. So, I’ve always been tinkering towards what is out there. Like, when I got to the US and it’s a totally new world, a totally new culture, I’m trying to figure out how do I navigate all of this thing. And then I would go to– because, of course, being a scholar, you’re always reading. And then the first time I discovered the book, 7 Habits of Highly Successful People, and then I realized I’ve always been an early morning person. Like, I like waking up. But I didn’t know the effectiveness of why, you know, the way you’re always doing something, but you don’t really know why you’re doing it. So, sometimes you stop and it’s up and down. And then, in 2012, I’d just gotten married. And I’m in St. Louis. I’m trying to write a PhD, I am isolated from my friends in Columbus. Like, I’m totally lost. And I was listening to a podcast. And this is January of 2013, so about a month after you had launched.

Hal Elrod: Oh, wow, that’s like– you were one of the first Miracle Morning book buyers, yeah.

Karen Stringer: Yeah, I heard about it. And I was like, it’s so simple. Could it be that simple? So, I went ahead and bought the book. At that time, I think Amazon was still just for books. So, I got it and I started practicing it and I was like, “Oh, my gosh, this is ridiculous,” because here I am with all of these things that I need to do, but I was able to write my PhD in record time because I had this book this time, and then my fitness, like everything just came together.

And at first, I thought it was an accident and then I would stop. And then my life would go back to being crazy and I’m, uh-oh, let’s try this again. And we would get back to it. And so, I knew there was something to it. And so, it became a way of life for me. I don’t even say practice the Miracle Morning. This is just who I am at this point. And like, I guess, we’ll talk about this later, but the impact on everybody else, everybody who’s ever been around me, they know about the Miracle Morning, whether they like it or not.

Hal Elrod: I love it.

Karen Stringer: So, I feel like that is, I literally tell people, for me, the Miracle Morning was the turning point. I could always do amazing things, but there wasn’t a path and there wasn’t a framework. And that’s what I always needed. I just needed that framework to remind me, okay, this is how you organize your morning and this is how you achieve amazing things. And it was beautiful when you came up with the Miracle Equation. Hopefully, we get to talk about that later because everything just makes so much sense to me. Yeah, so that’s how I came in contact with the Miracle Morning for the first time.

Hal Elrod: And so, that was 12, right? We’re in 2025, January. So, it’s 12 years ago. You said it’s a way of life for you. How often do you do your Miracle Morning? Or over the last 12 years, has it been consistent, X amount of days a week? Is it like, have you had periods where you fell off? And again, we get more into that later, but how many days a week do you average your Miracle Morning?

Karen Stringer: And this one thing is really difficult for me to say that because that’s just how I am. Like, I wake up, this is what I do. It doesn’t matter at what, because my wake-up times have changed depending on what I’m working on. Like, when I was launching my app, I needed to wake up at four. So, my Miracle Morning moved to four. But now, because I don’t have a big project I’m working on, it’s more laid back, but it’s all the same method that has just been incorporated into who I am.

So, it’s hard to say, but I will say that I do notice when I’m not as consistent as I could be, then my life quality is not as great. Over the years, like, the ebbs and flows of life, but I always know what to go back to. So, I will not go more than a month without being back up to it because I don’t like who I am when I’m not doing it.

Hal Elrod: You notice the difference. Sure.

Karen Stringer: Yeah. But I’m also not one of those people that I’m going for 3,000 streaks because during this time, I also had my baby. And during that time, life turned upside down. So, I just did what I could. But if compared to another Miracle Morning practitioner, that might not have seemed like it. But to me, it was the vision that I could at that particular phase of my life. So, I’ve just learned to be flexible with it, adjust it according to what state I am in life. And, like, it’s just me.

Hal Elrod: I love it. I love it, Karen. I am the same way. It’s like, even if I go away from it, it’s the foundation. It’s how I start my day. Kind of like if you eat breakfast in the morning, like, even if the wake-up time changes, you’re still going to get that done. Thank you for sharing that. Holly, what about you? When did you discover the Miracle Morning? How did you discover it? What made you decide to give it a try?

Holly Bertone: Yeah. So, mine was 2019, but I want to go back and just share where I was before because I think it really sets the stage of how impactful the Miracle Morning has been. And I talked about my career. I was always very driven, very successful. Karen just mentioned the 7 Habits. That was my gateway drug in the mid-90s, was the 7 Habits. And that just really catapulted my journey into personal growth and personal development. And so, I had a successful career. I was a mountain bike racer, a competitive mountain bike racer and an ex-triathlete. So, I was that girl.

And then, in 2010 was when everything changed. And I know how you are on my podcast. I think it was about a year or so ago. Not sure if you remember, but that was the year that I was diagnosed with breast cancer. So, I know you and I are cancer survivors as well. So, that was my 39th birthday that I was diagnosed, which was interestingly, how you always like to reframe things. At that time, obviously, there was a lot of boohoos and woe is me. But because I kept joking about breast cancer being my “gift,” very sarcastically, very snarky, because just to try to infuse some humor to it and because I was diagnosed on my birthday and over that time, I kept saying breast cancer is my gift. And then all of a sudden it was, oh, breast cancer is my gift. Totally shifted everything for me.

But what happens? I went through surgery, chemoradiation. And then what happened was I was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s, which is an autoimmune disease right after cancer. And then 10 years of just really difficult health challenges, very subsequent health challenges, so bad, actually, that I had to resign from my dream job at the FBI. And those were very, very dark years, including way too many months where I just marinated in my misery. I was always that girl that strive to do everything. And there were days I couldn’t get out of bed. I mean, it was dark.

But then, 2019, I was already in the process of starting to come out of that dark and starting to come into the light. I was starting to get my health back. I mean, present day, fully healed. And I was always a morning person. But as I was starting to come back, like, I need to jump back into more personal development books and found the Miracle Morning. I don’t even remember, Hal, I just remember buying it on Amazon. And really, all of those foundational morning habits and even habits throughout the day were just completely gone. And the Miracle Morning just brought all of it back to life. And yeah, that’s how I started implementing it.

Hal Elrod: And so, that was 2019, you said?

Holly Bertone: 2019. So, I guess it’s been six years.

Hal Elrod: Six years for you, Holly, and then Karen, since 2013, so 12 years. Incredible. It’s amazing. I think for anybody listening, right, if they’re a new Miracle Morning practitioner going, “Oh, wow, this is like a lifelong practice,” right? “This isn’t just something I do for 30 days and then move on to something else.” And then the question for you, too, how many days a week do you usually do it all? Is it during the week? Is it weekends also? What does it look like for you?

Holly Bertone: So, for me, it is pretty consistent. I mean, I know Karen talked about it, who she is. Like, that’s exactly the same with me. It’s just who I am. It’s just a part of me. Now, do I do all five, seven days a week? No, but I do at least the first three, the silence, the affirmations, the visualization. I think they’ve been 100% since 2019. The other ones, I’ve altered a little bit sometimes. If I’m not going to the gym, I might just, if I’m not actually doing an active exercise, walk around the house. If I’m not actually journaling, I might be dictating notes into my phone of things that I’m thinking of. So, it’s not a 100%, 100% of the days.

Hal Elrod: Yeah, sure.

Holly Bertone: But it has been a consistent practice and really has become just a part of me.

Hal Elrod: Well, yeah, and I’m the same. As anybody listening, by the way, when she said not doing all the practices each day, right, the Miracle Morning, if you’re not familiar and this is your first time listening to the podcast, the SAVERS, the six practices of the Miracle Morning, Holly was referring to the first three she does, which is silence, affirmations, visualization. And yes, your point, Holly, I don’t do all my SAVERS every day. It’s fluid. It’s what do I need?

I love Brianna Greenspan, who I mentioned earlier. Every day, she’ll start in silence and go, “Which SAVERS do I need this morning?” Like, she’ll literally just get in touch with herself and ask and then go, “You know, I got to exercise today” or “I got to do this,” right? So, when I was new, it was all six every day. I always tell people, if you’re brand new to the Miracle Morning, I would do all six SAVERS for 30 days so that you can know which ones impact you in which ways and how they resonate. And then you can kind of customize your routine from there on. It’s interesting that both you, to your first books in personal development were 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey. I love that.

Holly Bertone: It’s the gateway drug.

Hal Elrod: I love that. Right. So, Karen, back to you, which element or elements of the Miracle Morning have had the biggest impact on you and why? And if you want it, there’s a few ways you can approach that. You could just talk about like the power of starting your day with intention, like big picture. Or you could tell me, like, which of the SAVERS specifically have the biggest impact for you?

Karen Stringer: Okay. So, as a language coach, well, let’s say, you want to have the fundamentals down. So, when I began, like you, the six were non-negotiables. I had to do all of them, because this is when, I love reading. So, they gave me permission to read in the morning. And then journaling was phenomenal. I think that’s the one that I’ve been consistent throughout. Like, I have stacks of journals, just like freestyling and just expressing myself because I feel like that’s how I get to know myself and my ideas flow. I struggle with visualization because I am not a visual person. Like, you tell me, close my eyes and visualize an apple, I will not see an apple. I read. So, over the years, I learned…

Hal Elrod: Just, this is blank?

Karen Stringer: Yeah, it is blank. The other time, I learned to use writing as my visualization because I visualize in words. So, when I’m journaling, I’m actually able to articulate the vision that I have, and that’s what gets to me. So, I thought somehow, I would just close my eyes and go like, ooh, uh-oh. So, I almost give up on that, but it has become my superpower now because as I’m journaling and I’m imagining what my ideal future would look like, then it’s even more powerful.

And then, of course, exercising goes without saying that it’s just one of those things you’ve got to do and it’s very powerful because movement is medicine. Affirmations, like, over the years, I’ve loved the evolution of how– especially from the Miracle Equation, I’ve loved the evolution of affirmations because those resonated with me, because I’m more action oriented. I want to know what I’m doing. I want to know how I am being. So, my affirmations have come to embody that to what they are.

So, I would say, for right now, it’s the reading, it’s the affirmation, and it’s the journaling that have been the most– I mean, exercise is just that. To me, that’s just a base. For silence, I’m more of a prayer person because I’m one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. So, the Bible believes that they’re strong for me. So, prayer is what usually takes place for silence for me. So, yeah, like all those stuff.

Hal Elrod: I love it. I love hearing, I mean, this is maybe, one of– I mean, we’re a long way to go, but this is part of my favorite part, like hearing which of the SAVERS do you do? How do you do them? How do you like them? I’d actually love to dive into journaling a little bit, Karen, because you just mentioned, you’ve got stacks and stacks and stacks of journals. And I have not been that consistent over the last 15 years to have stacks and stacks and stacks of journals. I have stacks of journal entries, but then I go off the rails. I don’t do it for a while, like, so I actually– but I have a friend, Chip Franks, who, hardcore Miracle Morning practitioner, I’ve always envied. Wow, he’s got his stacks. And it’s like, every single year, he has a journal and for the last 10 years, every day.

So, you mentioned that you use it for free writing. Just talk for a minute about how do you journal, like, if somebody is like, I don’t know what to write, how do you approach it? What do you– you open a blank journal. Do you do it physical written journal with a pen? Is it on a computer, on your phone? How do you journal? And how do you approach it so people can model that?

Karen Stringer: Okay. So, the first rule of them is make it easy. Okay? I have my journal right there before I go to bed, because I find like in the morning, I will just write about what I need to do. But in the evening, I want to reflect about the day, all the beautiful things I saw. Like, just being present, that person’s made during the day to actually be focused on what’s going right in my life. So, I will sit down and make myself think about what beautiful things happened today. My son has a speech delay. So, when he said something that I know was really hard for him and everybody as a student, to me, that’s something that I will celebrate. And guess what?

Hal Elrod: Amazing.

Karen Stringer: And I do the silly thing, be then vary, because once I say that, my brain just– I think it’s like a code phrase for me. Once I say it’d vary, silly like a teenage girl, but somehow it opened me up. It’s like I’m about to talk to a friend and I just think this is what happened today. This is what struggled today. I feel like I don’t have clarity right now. What is going on? I feel like whenever somebody says something, did I misunderstand them? So, I just stuck my heart out. And when I shower and I have ideas, I come in there and I write all of my ideas. Like, I don’t have any, I can’t write this in here. I’m just– this is where I put my soul and I do that.

Hal Elrod: I love that.

Karen Stringer: And then I stop at one page. I make myself stop at one page because I don’t want you to get overwhelming. So, one page, just say, I think that’s enough for the night.

Hal Elrod: That’s enough for the day. Quality over quantity.

Karen Stringer: So, that’s how, and it’s become fun. And whenever I don’t do it because I travel to something like that, I feel like I’ve missed talking to a friend.

Hal Elrod: I love that. I love– there are so many things I can highlight there. The Dear Diary piece is really important, right? Like, you’re writing to someone. I do something different, but similar in that, when I have a profound insight, I will actually write it. Instead of saying I need to do _____, I’ll actually write it to me, from higher consciousness from God. So, it starts with, instead of I need to, Hal, you really need to yada, yada, yada. And so, there is something about the way we use language and feeling like it’s not for you. It’s you’re writing to the diary.

And the example I’m using, someone’s writing it to me versus me writing it to myself. And I imagine that it’s God, it’s my highest consciousness, right? That’s where it’s coming from. And the impact that our language has in the way that we use it is significant. And I love that. It’s like you pour your heart and soul, you don’t filter, right? You write to your diary. I love that. Really, really cool. So, Holly, I’d love– this is the same thing for you. I’d love to hear how you approach, to say like your favorite SAVERS. If there’s any you struggle with, and how do you approach them? Yeah. Any tips you can give our listeners?

Holly Bertone: Absolutely. So, my favorites are the first three, and those are the non-negotiables, the silence, the affirmations, the visualization. And again, just to give context, because when we talk about it, it just sounds easy, I struggled so hard, so long for so many years with silence. My body was very sick. I was constantly in that sympathetic stress state of fight or flight. And I was not okay with silence. I could not be in silence. And I was always constantly having to be doing something. And so, silence was very difficult for me.

And getting to that place where now, silence is my favorite, I mean, I live in the silence. It is so powerful. And those three combined, really, I mean, it’s the neuroscience. It’s how your brain just calms down. Your brain is telling your body that everything is safe and really, that calm, that quiet, I combine prayer, meditation, the affirmations, the silence, all of the things, and individualization into one, just kind of big, wherever I go first thing in the morning. And from that calm, it puts me into that parasympathetic peace state so that I can go about my day. And really, it’s that emotional resilience that no matter what happens, like I’m good. And it’s slowing down. It’s being intentional before making decisions. It’s being able to make good decisions because of it.

And really, like I said, just like setting up that nervous system to be regulated. And my mood used to be all over the place. And really, the calm, the silence, the affirmations, the visualization helps me to get to that mindset to have a nervous system that’s regulated and not needing that constant dopamine hit of all of the distractions that are around me. So, that is absolutely vital. And even to the…

Hal Elrod: Sorry to interrupt. How long do you typically take for silence? Is that 5 minutes, 10 minutes?

Holly Bertone: It depends on the day. Some days, if I need to get up and go, it might be two minutes. Most days, it’s a solid 30 to 40. I do get up early and I do have that time in the morning. So, I am very fortunate to have that time. Four o’clock.

Hal Elrod: Four o’clock, I love it. I love it. Fellow 4 AM-er. I actually am late. I’m like 4:30 now. Yeah, with my kids getting older and they’re like wanting to hang out in the evenings, it’s so hard for me because I love my kids, I’m like, but when they go to college, I get to get back to my Miracle Morning routine. I’m going to bed at 8:30, getting up a 3:30. Like, that’s my favorite.

Holly Bertone: Yeah, but really, that has helped me between overcoming chronic illness, that’s helped me with even my own emotional eating struggles that I’ve been through. It helped me two years ago, when I went through a divorce and my life was just topsy-turvy. So, those first three, especially if someone’s new to this, they sound simple. They sound like, okay, really, can it change your life? Yeah, big time.

The one that I struggle with the most is reading. And Hal, I’m not sure if your brain went there after chemo, but my brain is in the state of recovering and is continuing to recover, I’m very careful with my words, but reading has been a struggle. And so, I basically took the reading and I moved it to lunchtime and I moved it to Audible. And it is no longer a struggle. So, I don’t know if that officially counts or not.

Hal Elrod: It does, it does.

Holly Bertone: But I was like, you know what? Rather than trying to fight this and rather than trying to fight a physical book, and by the way, your book was a lot easier to read, like, that was a great book to…

Hal Elrod: I write it like a third-grade level, so it’s more digestible, yeah.

Holly Bertone: Yeah, it was absolutely digestible. But yeah, most of the books that I read are on Audible and I’m like, I can either fight with my brain or I can say, okay, consistency is better than perfection. Does perfect mean that I have to physically read a physical book? Or does reading count as something that I can listen to? I just made my own rules.

Hal Elrod: No, I love that. You’re giving people permission to– there’s flexibility in the SAVERS, in the Miracle Morning. You’re even doing part of your Miracle Morning during lunchtime, right? So, it’s like you’re starting your day with the three, silence, affirmations, visualization, that are most impactful for you that, as you said, regulate your nervous system, set you up to be intentional and productive for the day. And then you’re delaying reading for a few hours and doing it in a way where you can combine it with eating lunch and kind of be multitasking in an effective way.

Holly Bertone: And can I just add real quick with journaling to the– as the scribe?

Hal Elrod: Yeah, please.

Holly Bertone: Because I know you both, like, all three of us have different ways that we do this, which I think is just amazing and is hopefully going to give some people some really good ideas. When I journal at the beginning of the day, I journal because, yeah, we just talk like, okay, what am I supposed to write? You’ve got this blank piece of paper, and I journal as if it’s at the beginning of the day and I journal as if it’s at the end of the day. And the day has already happened and the day was the most amazing day ever. And it’s almost like a Dear God, thank you for this day. And I journal in that tense of my best memory from the future, and that’s my favorite way to journal.

Hal Elrod: Can you give us an example, like, word it, just freestyle or give us a recent journal entry or something?

Holly Bertone: Yeah. So, for example…

Hal Elrod: It’s the morning, you’re journaling in the morning, but as if it had already happened at the end of the day. So…

Holly Bertone: Right. So, full disclosure, I did not journal this morning, but let’s say I did, it would have been, Dear God, thank you for this wonderful day. Thank you for the opportunity to share about the Miracle Morning on this podcast. And I just kind of go through different things about my day. Thank you for the chance, like yesterday. Thank you for the chance to, my dad made it to 80. My mother passed away a few years ago. So, it’s very important to have him still around, and just being in that place of sharing your day as if it’s already happened.

Hal Elrod: Yeah, I love that. I love that. We did the Miracle Year Event recently and that was one of the questions is like, at the end of the year, when you’ve made this your best year ever, like what will that feel like? What will that feel like? And when you can forward think and get into that space now, it’s compelling that it makes you want to make it a reality and it’s rehearsing. You’ve rehearsed doing the things and you’re setting the intention, like, hey, thank you, God, that I showed at my best today, that I did this with excellence, that people responded really well. Like, you are creating your day being proactive versus being reactive. I love that.

Karen, going back to you, and of course, Holly, get ready because the same question is coming to you. Let’s talk about outcomes or results. In terms of, since you started the Miracle Morning, now, Karen, you’ve been doing it for 12 years, so I’m sure there’s lots of results, but is there anything, maybe pick one, pick like one specific thing that happened and it was prompted by the Miracle Morning? So, like, for me, for example, and I’ll talk here for a minute to give you a time to think of what this would be. But for me, and I have so many, right, there’s so many things that the Miracle Morning, I doubled my income in two months because of the Miracle Morning. I ran an ultramarathon. That’s the one I often use because I explain how I used affirmations to affirm my commitment to doing something I never in my entire life thought I could do, run this ultramarathon. I did the affirmation formula. I’m committed to running miles, and here’s why and here’s what I’m going to do to follow through.

And then I use the visualization. I mentally rehearse going for the run every day in a peak mental and emotional state, right? So, if it wasn’t for the Miracle Morning, I can almost guarantee, I would not have done the marathon, there’s no way, because the Miracle Morning got me to train for it. If it wasn’t for that, I would have just procrastinated and not been ready. So, that’s an example of a result. So, yeah, what’s a specific result that you experienced from your SAVERS and your Miracle Morning?

Karen Stringer: Okay. So, I’m going to do pretty high level. So, 2012, I was writing my dissertation. I was away from school. But because of the Miracle Morning, I had specific times to keep working on it because I had a goal of finishing it within three years. And that’s exactly what happened. I knew exactly what I was working on and when I was working on. And I was scared because I was by myself. I’m thinking, “This is not going to happen and I will never finish this thing.” But because I was so on point because of Miracle Mornings that was that. 2015, because of the podcast and reading, I was reading Andy… What is it that, Rich Dad Poor Dad?

Hal Elrod: Oh, yeah. Robert Kiyosaki?

Karen Stringer: Robert Kiyosaki and his cohorts. And during that time, during the Miracle Morning, we were able to launch a real estate business because of that. So, I was able to retire my husband from his hospital job so that he could come and join me in the real estate business.

Hal Elrod: Wow. That’s amazing.

Karen Stringer: That was huge. And finally, in 2020, during COVID, because of the Miracle Morning, I was able to create a language learning platform, which eventually became my language learning app, the LSN: Swahili For Hoamis app where adults could learn Swahili on demand. And this is because we were working with refugees and noticed that we didn’t have decent resources for volunteers to learn how to speak Swahili without having to pack and go or use some other things that were not very efficient. So, during my Miracle Morning, I was able to launch that app in 30 days because I was focused. So, I’m like, “My life is what it is right now, literally, because of the Miracle Morning.” Yeah, I can’t even tell.

And because of that also, my students during the challenge I suggest and highly recommend that we do a Miracle Morning challenge. So, it doesn’t matter who. As long as you come to my world, I share my experiences. I say, “I can’t force you, but I promise you, if you do this, it’s going to change your life because it did mine.”

Hal Elrod: Wow. Karen, so inspiring. And what I love of the examples you shared, right, three different results, different outcomes, different areas of life and it just reminds me that the Miracle Morning how universally applicable it is because I always say like it’s about you. It’s about helping you become the person that you need to be, in terms of the mindset and the habits and the discipline and the consistency and the focus, right? And then whatever you apply it to, whether it’s making more money or starting an app or finishing your Ph.D. like whatever it is, or retiring your husband from his job, your Miracle Morning is the thing that then you just pointed in the direction of whatever the goals that you have in your life are and it amplifies and enhances your ability to more effectively make those goals and dreams a reality. So, you’re a living example of that. I love those stories.

Karen Stringer: That’s such a blessing.

Hal Elrod: Yeah. Thanks for sharing it with others, the fact that you’re paying it forward. That’s a cool part of Miracle Morning. Like, the reason the book has reached millions of people is because I’ve written like, especially in other countries, I don’t go to other countries and talk about it. It’s word of mouth and people like yourself that you have these amazing results and you’re going, “Hey, you got to try the Miracle Morning.” All right. Holly, what about you? What are some specific outcomes that you can point back to the Miracle Morning and your SAVERS?

Holly Bertone: Absolutely. So, I have two to share. And the first one was when I was going through my divorce in 2022, I was moving from Alexandria, Virginia to basically the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania. So, going from the suburbs of Washington, D.C. to the middle of nowhere. And so, it was a big culture jump. It was a divorce, all the things that happened in a divorce. And also, I was making that move at the time when I was married. I was coaching part-time. And basically, my husband at the time was supporting me. So, I was also making a big move career-wise, and I decided to not get a job, to go all in on coaching full-time and building my business and supporting myself.

And during that time, you know the phrase, “Leap and the net will appear?” Mine was leap and I’m praying that I can fly because I felt like I didn’t have that foundation under me. And there was a lot of uncertainty every single day waking up and just not knowing what life is going to look like. And the Miracle Morning was that consistent routine. Every single day I knew that I was going to wake up and I was going to do the exact same thing, and that routine and that discipline. And just knowing that if even the entire day went haywire, there was one thing that I can rely on that is consistent that I knew was going to help me. And that really gave me the emotional resilience and the grit and helped build that confidence and the confidence loop of just figuring out how to get started all over again with my life. So, that was huge.

And because I am such a firm believer that I actually gift the book to all of my coaching clients and help them to incorporate it into their schedule. And especially the majority of the women I work with, they’ve got demanding schedules and careers and families and midlife juggling all of the things that we juggle and trying to lose weight and get on top of emotional eating and stop all the snacking. And it’s really those morning habits and those morning routines that go throughout the day that they take with them throughout the day. And everyone knows, I mean, there’s more to weight loss than just a habit and the discipline. It’s becoming a different person and that’s what the Miracle Morning really does is help you to become that best version of yourself. And it really does ripple to all the aspects of your life.

Hal Elrod: Yeah. No, I agree with you. It is interesting that when people share the results, like whether it’s in the Miracle Morning Community Facebook group or I think about Mike Eaton, who was in the Miracle Morning documentary and he lost 80 pounds after reading the Miracle Morning. And he’s like, “I tried diets, I tried this, and nothing worked. The Miracle Morning worked.” When I heard that from his story, I’m like, “Well, it’s not a book on how to lose weight.” Right? But it goes back to that it’s universally applicable to making you a better version of yourself and capable of achieving whatever your goals are. But that is one of the most popular responses when you ask. When we do surveys for the Miracle Morning community and what were the results? “I lost 10 pounds. I lost 7 pounds.” That’s one of the big outcomes. So, it makes sense that you’re sharing that with your coaching clients.

Holly Bertone: And you talk about the unwavering faith, right? We talked about that a little bit earlier. And I like the phrase “the unwavering knowingness.” Like, I just know that things are going to be okay. But that’s also from that mindset of not focusing on the negative, not worrying about everything that’s going to go wrong, but just living in that place of just knowing that everything is going to be okay, regardless of whether it’s good, bad, or otherwise.

Hal Elrod: Yeah. No, it’s such an important perspective. It is. It’s surrender. It’s faith. Right? You said something also about… Where was I going with that? I’m drawing a blank. It will come back to me. Karen, I want to ask, and I’m going to ask both of you guys, of course, both of you gals, this question. But I think, Karen, you mentioned it earlier and that we would circle back to it so I want to make sure I don’t forget to, which is, how has the Miracle Morning influenced the people around you? So, whether that’s family, friends, colleagues, how has it influenced people around you, either directly like you shared it with them, or indirectly like based on who you were, impacted your relationships, that kind of thing?

Karen Stringer: So, the Miracle Morning came to my life just in my first few months of marriage. So, initially, it was because my husband is a night owl. He does not like anything to do with the morning. However, over the years as he’s seeing the impact that the Miracle Morning has had on my life and our lives collectively, he’s actually waking up earlier than me and he would never admit to doing the SAVERS. Never. However, he’s doing them because I see him waking up, he’s reading his thing, he’s doing his… I’m like I am so proud of him because of that. Because I know that because initially, I would try, “Oh, read this,” but then I realize that’s not the way to do it. Let my example and the result be the biggest factor in him determining whether he wanted to do that. So, I am extremely proud of that.

And then every time we have a graduation, high school graduates, instead of giving people money, I actually buy them three books. One of them is the Miracle Morning and then The Compound Effect and one other one. I buy them three books and for the Miracle Morning, I showed them how to do it in the card. And it’s amazing how much they come back and say, “Thank you for that book. That’s really changed my life.” And then for my Swahili students, I do challenges and then I will reward people with the Miracle Morning book. So, pretty much everybody that my sisters in Kenya, I buy that book for people and then just invite them to do it with me.

So, for instance, if I’m feeling really like up to it, I would do, “Let’s do a challenge. It’s going to be fun for the next 30 days and let’s see if we can challenge each other.” And it’s just been beautiful to see the impact that it’s having on people because they’re discovering they’re capable of so much more, that they were ready, but they didn’t have the framework to address it and they didn’t have the framework within reach to just excel. And the Miracle Morning does that for them. So, like I said, it’s really not that the Miracle Morning is just with a certain type of person, but it gives you the space and the framework, as it were, for you to operate within your best self. So, the last 12 years have been amazing for that factor. And those ones who don’t want to do it, they still respect it and they know what to think.

Hal Elrod: And the timing might not be right, right? Some people I’ve heard many people say like, “I heard about your book. I heard about your book. My friends said I should do it. And then finally it hit me at the right time or finally, I was ready.” So, you’re planting those seeds. Yeah. Well, you’re an incredible advocate for the Miracle Morning, Karen. I am so grateful for that. Holly, what about you? How’s your Miracle Morning influence the people around you?

Holly Bertone: Yeah, absolutely. And like I said that I actually get the book to my clients. And when you think about women in midlife, one common theme that is I would say 99.9% of us is that we give to everyone else, but we don’t give to ourselves. We leave our cup completely empty because we just give so much to everyone else. And the Miracle Morning helps them to basically take those first few minutes of the morning and prioritize themselves. And sometimes it’s for the first time in years. And I was actually talking to one of my clients and I asked her, I said, “Do you want me to share anything?” And she goes, “Oh, my goodness, absolutely.”

So, she said that she used to absolutely hate mornings. She hated her job. She hit the snooze button and she just refused to get out of bed. And she has now gone to a place where she’s got the book, she’s got the app. And she says she’s excited to wake up every day. She goes, “I’m actually a morning person. I feel like I have purpose. I have a new job. I love how my day begins,” she says. And it really has set her up and other clients too basically to keep her focused on eating healthier and exercising and having that consistency that especially when trying to get into those habits is so up and down and all over the place. But, Hal, what she specifically wanted me to tell you because she loves the app. And she said Lucy is her favorite and she loves the confetti.

Hal Elrod: I get both of those pieces of feedback quite a bit. Tell her thank you. That’s great. Yeah. Lucy is the best.

Holly Bertone: Yeah. I love seeing it implemented. Yeah.

Hal Elrod: Yeah. The Miracle Morning app. Lucy is the voice, the primary voice. We have a lot of people in there that lead SAVERS practices. And then the confetti that’s so true. I celebrate every time I do a SAVER, right? So, very, very cool. Tell her I said thank you. I really appreciate that.

Holly Bertone: Absolutely.

Hal Elrod: All right. A couple more questions and then we’ll do a quick fire round here. So, Karen, I guess, two parts to this question. So, was there ever a time that you wanted to quit or struggled to stay consistent with the Miracle Morning and how you got back on track? That’s kind of the first part. So, was there a specific time where you go, “Yeah,” like Holly maybe, “When I had cancer, I fell off, and here’s how I got back on,” that kind of thing? So, was there a specific time? And then, in general, like you mentioned, Karen, that there’s these ebbs and flows and I’m there like I’m on it for every day, and then I go on vacation for a week, and I come back and I like, “I’m out of my routine and it takes a while to get back in.”

So, was there a specific time that you wanted to quit or struggled to stay consistent and how did you overcome it? And then, in general, if you fall off track or you don’t do it for a while, if that happens, how do you get back on track? And I’m sure there’s kind of similarities in these answers.

Karen Stringer: Yeah. So, I’m very goal-oriented and focused on everything. However, when I had my time, that was the most humbling experience of my life because I thought I was going to have that baby, put him in the car seat, and just continue with my Miracle Morning like nothing happened. And it was like a ton of bricks hit me and I didn’t know how to cope with not being on top of my game. And you have so many feelings of guilt, like, I shouldn’t be feeling like this. I should be able to do everything that I was able to do before I had the baby. And I will tell you, it took me about two years to finally accept that my life had changed. I was still fighting even though I hadn’t slept. Even though I didn’t have energy to do anything else, I was still fighting to get back on it. And I would read people saying, “Have grace on yourself,” and I really didn’t know what that meant.

To me, having grace in myself meant I was failing. And it took a lot of maturing to realize that just because I wasn’t doing my Miracle Morning every day at 5 a.m. with the same gusto, I was not failing. So, the first year or two I tried, but it was awful. And I wanted to just say, “You know what, never mind.” But before I gave up, I had matured into realizing I can actually adjust to my new stage of life. I can do ten minutes one. I can exercise for a little bit. I don’t have to do everything that I was doing before and that was huge and not feel guilty because that was the part that was killing me the most. So, once I figured that out and accepted the new stage of life I was then, eventually, I was able to build back up to that but I recognize that I’m not the same person I was before then. And I love my Miracle Morning now because it honors who I am now.

If my child doesn’t sleep because he’s sick, I’m okay. I’ll push it to later. I will go to the gym a little later. I will do my journal that night. So, it’s just honoring where you are in life and recognizing that the Miracle Morning is supposed to suit your lifestyle. Initially, when you’re starting out, I think it’s important to understand the fundamentals. But as you progress, it’s recognizing and honoring where you are in life and adopting it and releasing any guilt you might have as not being perfect because there’s no such thing as perfection. And now my team, we just adopted my niece who was a 14-year-old. I’m also teaching her that, just doing the Miracle Morning but would suit her high school self as opposed to if you don’t do all six of them, you’re a failure. So, right now I’m more in tune with the ebbs and flows of life. And I haven’t felt like quitting because there’s really nothing to quit.

Hal Elrod: Yeah. I love that you share that because I’m sure so many people can relate to that, the perfection, that if I can’t do it all exactly like I wanted to do it. And then also, you mentioned that when life changes, we have an identity of going like, “This is who I am and this is what I do. Well, now I got a baby and I can’t be who I was doing what I did. I’ve evolved now. I’m a mom,” right? And allowing yourself that grace is important. There’s a couple of cliché phrases that come up for me that are so true. One is give up perfection and focus on progress, right? Perfection or progress over perfection.

And the other I heard recently, I’m sure it’s an age-old phrase, but it’s been sticking with me and I’ve been sharing with my kids, it’s, “Don’t let what you can’t do get in the way of what you can do,” meaning just because you can’t do an hour, can you do ten minutes? And often because of the perfectionist in most of us, we do what we can to do given what we can do. “I can’t do exactly what I want, so I will do nothing.” No, no, no. It’s not perfect. Do what you can do. Yeah. And then in the last cliche phrase that is so true is, “Something is better than nothing.” And that’s what I invented the, or I guess invented, but I came up with the six-minute Miracle Morning was because of that exact thing is I’m like, “Oh, I can’t do an hour so I won’t do it. I’ve only got 10 minutes. I’ve only got 20 minutes.” Like, what if I just did one minute for each of the SAVERS and did something and so something better than nothing?

Karen Stringer: And may I add something? Because I saw the six minutes, but I did not want to give myself permission to do that because, in my mind, that was not enough. How dare you say I can do Miracle Morning for six minutes. I need to do the whole thing. But just remember, it’s really not about the six minutes as much as the habit because when you do a little bit, you’re still reinforcing that identity and that habit of being a Miracle Morning practitioner. And once I got that in my head, I was like, “Okay. Then we’re still doing something even if it’s not as long or as perfect as we would like it to.”

Hal Elrod: Yeah. Well said. Very well said. What about you, Holly? What about a time when you struggle to do the Miracle Morning? And how do you get back on track?

Holly Bertone: So, a few things. Like I said, the first three, the silence, affirmation, and visualization, I honestly can’t think I missed a day. I mean, even if it’s just a minute or two, I always make sure I have that specific time in the quiet in the morning before I get out of bed and just really start from that note. The other three, and I’m going to talk about exercise and especially coming as a health coach, is driving to the gym in the morning sometimes doesn’t always happen. So, I got some workout equipment that I keep at my house. I’ve got a little bench, I’ve got some dumbbells, and a kettlebell so I can do some workouts.

And when I moved to Pennsylvania, we get a lot of snow. The winters are cold and gray and disgusting. And even though it’s only two hours away from Alexandria, it’s a lot different. And I found that first winter when I moved that my steps went from I’d say on average 8,000 to 9,000 steps a day down to about 3,000 steps a day. I was not moving at all. And that’s not acceptable for anyone, let alone a health coach. It’s embarrassing to admit that. And what I did was two things. Number one was I actually got a walking pad. I think there’s like $150 on Amazon. In fact, it’s what I’m standing on now. And so, I got a walking pad and set it up with a standing desk so that I can first thing in the morning, come in, do a little bit of work and walk, and get that exercise in if the day is gray and disgusting outside.

The other thing that I do is walk and talk. Now, I don’t use the Bluetooth. I use a wired. So, I get the wired from my phone to my ears and I’ll get on the phone with one of my friends and I just walk around the house and it’s not like I’m walking fast. It’s not like I’m looking far but the next thing I know there’s a thousand steps, 2,000 steps depending on how long the phone call is. So, that’s really how I overcame all of the excuses in my head of, “Oh, I can’t do this because…” like you just said, you can either live in the problem or live in the solution. But I will say for the Miracle Evening, I do a lot of those and I can tell you with 100% accuracy, if I do not get a decent Miracle Evening in, I do not sleep well at all.

So, that is with 100% guarantee. I don’t know if it’s the blue light. I don’t know if it’s not being able to calm my nervous system before I go to bed. I don’t know. I mean, maybe I’m eating too soon. I don’t know what all the different things are. But I am so glad that you included the Miracle Evening in the updated book because that is a game changer in and of itself.

Hal Elrod: I’m so happy to hear that because I don’t talk about that enough and I don’t hear feedback about it enough. So, it’s really good to hear that that’s been so impactful for you.

Holly Bertone: And one more thing that I would like to share, too, is that on those times of your life that things are the darkest is when you need the Miracle Morning the most. It’s those times when it’s easy to say, “Oh, I’ll get to it later,” and, “Oh, I don’t want to do this today,” but those are the times that you really need the Miracle Morning the most and those are the times that the Miracle Morning is going to propel you even further to get out of those dark times.

Hal Elrod: Such great advice and, yeah, you’re absolutely right. It’s like not, “Oh, I’m going through this terrible thing, so I can’t do my Miracle Morning.” It’s like, “No, you need it now more than ever.” I mean, I think the Miracle Morning contributed to saving my life when I was in my cancer journey as well. All right. Quick rapid-fire questions to finish us off. Karen, I’ll let you go first. What time do you wake up for your Miracle Morning typically?

Karen Stringer: 6:45.

Hal Elrod: 2:45?

Karen Stringer: No. 6:45.

Hal Elrod: Oh, I was going, “Oh, my goodness. Okay. You got everybody beat.” All right. That sounds more reasonable. 6:45. Okay. I already know, Holly, your answer. You’re at 4 a.m. And then what’s your favorite part of your morning routine, Karen?

Karen Stringer: Exercise.

Hal Elrod: Exercise. And Holly, what’s yours?

Holly Bertone: Oh, goodness. Absolutely the quiet but can I just tell you, when I walk out of the gym, I feel unstoppable.

Hal Elrod: I love it. I love it. All right. And then third question. If you had to choose only one SAVER, and I think you might have just done it, Karen, but which one would it be? Would it be exercise for you?

Karen Stringer: No, it should be journaling.

Hal Elrod: Journaling? Okay. Yeah. You’ve got those journals stacked.

Karen Stringer: Oh, I got to talk to my friends.

Hal Elrod: Yes, dear diary. I love it. I love it. And I think that for anybody, right? Dear diary or Dear God or dear my future self like I love that tip that we’re all like write in your journal to someone, not just what do I write about to a blank page? Write to someone. If you had to pick one SAVER, Holly, what is it?

Holly Bertone: The silence.

Hal Elrod: It’s silence for you. Okay. All right. And last question, Karen. What’s one book you’ve read during your Miracle Morning that you’d recommend to everybody?

Karen Stringer: The Compound Effect.

Hal Elrod: All right. By Darren Hardy, The Compound Effect.

Karen Stringer: And actually, there’s two of them. There’s James Clear, Atomic Habits and The Compound Effect. Those two books along with the Miracle Morning that’s what I give my high schoolers. They’ve been powerful for me.

Hal Elrod: I love it. Yeah, powerful books. Compound Effect and Atomic Habits is the bestselling book in recent generations. I mean, it’s James Clear. It’s incredible. Holly, what about you? If you had to recommend one book, what would it be?

Holly Bertone: The one book would be Good Energy by Dr. Casey Means. It was on the New York Times bestseller this year. And, yes, such a great book. It just breaks it down. Just everyone needs to read it.

Hal Elrod: Everyone should read that, Good Energy. I absolutely agree. So, there’s your reading list, everybody, Compound Effect, Good Energy, and, Karen, I’m blanking. What was the third one? Oh, yeah. Atomic Habits. Yeah. That’s a pretty good top-three list I think right there. Well, it has been so inspiring talking to you, ladies. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Karen Stringer: Thank you for having us. This is amazing. My hero. You know, like getting to talk to you like it’s a dream. One day when I first read that book, I was like, “One day I’m going to talk to him or one day I’m going to translate that book, whatever it is.” Today, one of my dreams has come true.

Hal Elrod: Amazing. Little did you know that you’d be talking to me on a podcast that was going to go out to hundreds of thousands of people. That’s pretty cool. Exciting. Cool. Karen, I know you have an app like you do lots of different work and language. How can people find you if they wanted to follow up with you or connect or learn from you?

Karen Stringer: So, they can find me on my website, LearnSwahiliNow.com.

Hal Elrod: Learn Swahili Now. Okay.

Karen Stringer: Or if they want to just follow our podcast, it’s Swahili Made Easy on whatever you listen to podcast.

Hal Elrod: Swahili Made Easy and forgive me for asking, how do you spell Swahili? Just in case I’m not the only one that doesn’t know that off the top of my head.

Karen Stringer: S-W-A-H-I-L-I. It’s one of the largest African languages out there, about 200 million speakers globally.

Hal Elrod: Wow. Amazing. And, Holly, where can people follow up with you if they want health coaching or anything else from Holly Bertone?

Holly Bertone: Absolutely. So, two places. The first would be your Midlife Comeback Story podcast in Apple, Spotify, all the platforms. And the second one is my Instagram account @holly.bertone and it’s B-E-R-T-O-N-E.

Hal Elrod: Amazing. All right. Well, I learned so much that will enhance my Miracle Morning today. So, everybody listening, if you’re inspired by today’s stories, I encourage you to either start your own Miracle Morning journey, download the Miracle Morning app, grab a copy of the book, watch the Miracle Morning movie, or implement these strategies that you learned from Holly and Karen to enhance your SAVERS practice each day. Goal Achievers and members of the Miracle Morning community, I love you. Karen and Holly, thank you so much. And I will talk to you all next week. Take care.

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