Episode 248: Find Where You Belong and Create Your Community with Radha Agrawal

[INTRODUCTION]

 

Hal: Hey, goal achievers. Welcome to the Achieve Your Goals Podcast. This is Hal Elrod and that is my guest today laughing in the background. Our podcast I’ll just tell you was scheduled to start an hour ago and we started it on Zoom Video just to kind of get acquainted because it’s the first time that we are meeting voice-to-voice or face-to-face and it’s been an hour and we just finished our small talk. We’re like, “All right. We should probably start this podcast.” So, that makes me that much more excited to introduce our guest today because I love her, I just got to know her over the last hour and over the next half an hour roughly. So, our guest today is an expert in one of the most important things in my world and that is community, whether it’s on the personal level, my community here in Austin, Texas. My wife and I have quite a few extraordinary like-minded friends that have children, our children’s age and that’s kind of our local tight knit community and of course you if you’re listening to this are a member of the Achieve Your Goals Community, the listeners of this podcast and there’s a good chance that you’re a member of the Miracle Morning Community and that is the largest, most engaged community which as you know, we all meet together in a Facebook group called the Miracle Morning Community and I just invited Radha, our guest today, to join, so you’ll be seeing her in there at some point.

 

But Radha is a community creator. She is the co-founder, CEO, and Chief Community Architect of DAYBREAKER which is the early morning dance and wellness movement. They move, they dance that currently hold events in 25 cities in over a dozen college campuses around the world with a community of almost a half a million people and Radha is a successful entrepreneur. She is a co-founder of Thinx, T-H-I-N-X, and live it up, which excited we’ll talk about today. She’s invited me to be part of that. She’s an author, globetrotting speaker, DJ, and mentor, and investor, and her new book Belong, which I am holding in my hands right now. It is gorgeous inside and out but her new book, Belong, answers the questions, how the heck do I find my people? That’s the first question that her book answers and the second is how do I create large and meaningful communities in the real world? And Radha spent 18 months synthesizing her key methods for community building. And remember, she went from zero to 0.5 million people and she’s peeling back the curtain in this book on exactly what she and her team did and continue to do at DAYBREAKER so that anyone interested in creating their own community could have a blueprint for how to do it. Again, being in a community is so important to me and I guess say lead the Miracle Morning Community or facilitate that community, I am learning so much from this book.

 

And the CEO and co-founder of Whole Foods, John Mackey, said this about Radha. He said, “Radha is a force of nature. Her talks are energetic, inspiring, generative, and I can’t wait to hear her speak at our next CEO Summit,” and he also said about her book, Belong, “Read this book, do what it says, and discover exactly where you fit in.” Her book is Belong: Find Your People, Create Community, and Live a More Connected Life. I am truly honored and excited to introduce you to my new friend, Radha Agrawal. Radha, how are you?

 

[INTERVIEW]

 

Radha: So good and thank you for the introduction, Hal, and I love you so much too and I’m enjoying our one-hour as well.

 

Hal: So funny. I’m talking about time flying. I’m like 15 minutes in, we’re like, alright, we should probably get started, but real quick and then 30 minutes later, “Oh gosh,” and now Radha is like pushing back interviews. She’s in demand. Now, we’ve got her talking here for the next 30 minutes or so. Radha, so I’ve heard you say the single most important thing we can do as humans is to create community and I would love for you to share with me and our goal achievers, our listeners, why is that the case?

 

Radha: Yeah. I mean, I think the first thing to really acknowledge is how loneliness and isolation is our number one epidemic in this country right now. And so, it’s becoming clear that social media, these casinos in our pocket that are dinging and sort of distracting us are moving us away from connection and further into isolation and comparison, loneliness and it’s not actually helping the world, it’s not actually helping us be happier. So, it’s the single most important thing we can do today. It’s also the most generous thing we can do for one another and for ourselves is to put laptops down, is to stop canceling on our friends, and actually commit to making friendships, community a priority in our lives.

 

Hal: I love that. Now, why did you call your book Belong instead of, say, Community?

 

Radha: Right. So, I really think of community as a container. A community is a space in which you experience belonging. A belonging is a feeling that we’re going after. Belonging is that exhale of, “Ah, I’m home. I feel safe here. I feel connected here,” whereas community can also often be used a buzzword for just another metric for how many members you have, how many users you have, how many community members, how big is your community. So, I really wanted to offer our readers a new lens to think about community which is when you sew an event, when you invite people to your home, when you get together with your friend, when you’re connecting to your colleagues at work, let’s not think of it as a community because we can actually feel lonely and I can be part of a, I’ve been wearing the same sports jersey as somebody, watching the New England Patriots game or I could be at church somewhere but still feel totally alone and out of belonging. So, just because you’re in a community per se doesn’t necessarily mean that you feel like you belong. So, I really wanted to, again, give readers a different lens to think about community as sort of a space in which creating a space for people to actually belong.

 

Hal: What I love about that is in the book it’s all about intentionally either designing, creating, or finding your people, as you say, right like like-minded people and what I love about that is one of my favorite quotes and I think it’s one of the greatest truisms in life which is from Jim Rohn, you’re the average of the five people that you spend the most time with or some version of that.

 

Radha: Absolutely.

 

Hal: In fact, in your book, you said the expression, “You’re as good as the five closest you keep is real y’all.” And I’m in Texas now but I like that you threw y’all in there.

 

Radha: Yeah.

 

Hal: But I love how actionable your book is. Specifically, you’ve got all of these exercises that you give the reader throughout to immediately implement the things that you’re teaching us as we’re reading the book. And one of the first exercises that came across is DIA values and person abilities so that the reader you can get clear on what’s most important to you, what are your values, what are your interest, what are your abilities. And what I love is you gave a buffet like oftentimes and I don’t know if you were the same way but like when I read something it’s like think of your this. I go blank sometimes. I’m like, “Uh, I got nothing.”

 

Radha: Right. What is the value. Yeah.

 

Hal: Yeah. You have a list of like dozens of values and then dozens of interests and then dozens of abilities like here they are. Example is values, achievement, authenticity, boldness, compassion, creativity, curiosity, termination, fairness, like on and on and on. So, the one exercise that followed that and they kind of really support each other is you thought of an exercise called the three columns in which you have people design their ideal circle of influence and what I like about this is because I talk a lot about circle of influence, about I quote Jim Rohn all the time and say you’re the average of the five people. And the question I get a lot is, but how do you upgrade your circle of influence like how do you find like-minded people? How do you find the friends? And can you walk us through the three columns exercise? Because to me, for anybody listening if all they do is this, it’s a game changer.

 

Radha: Absolutely. It changed my life. Yeah. So, I did this. I was 30 years old and I’ll never forget this. I look myself in the mirror and I was like, “Oh my gosh, I don’t belong.” I have spent my 20s in sports bars and drinking beer and watching sports that I don’t care about. So, yeah, the 30th birthday, the next morning I woke up and did this three-column list. The column one was all the qualities I’m looking for in a friend. So, we do this type of audit for our work, our professional careers. We do this for our romantic love interest but, like when do we actually write down qualities that we’re looking for in a friend? It just feels very weird and kind of almost embarrassing at the beginning because when you admit that I don’t belong, if for some reason it’s a shameful thing and it shouldn’t be shameful because, by the way, I just went on a 22-city book tour and every single person who came to my book event experienced it. The main through line was I’m in transition, I’m looking for my new community, and I don’t know where to start. And so, just knowing that and being feeling that sense of comfort and knowing that every single person is going through that will make writing this three-column list such a fun kind of exciting opportunistic experience rather than like this is so dumb or I’m so ashamed or I can’t even do this. A lot of people tell me also like, “Well, Radha, shouldn’t making friends be saying that sort of chance happening?” Like it’s something that you want.

 

I don’t want to be so prescriptive with how I make friends but then again, we’re doing that for our diets. We’re thinking about what we’re eating, we’re thinking about, how we’re sleeping. We’re thinking about every aspect of our lives and yet we’re leaving this one most important thing to chance?

 

Hal: Yeah.

 

Radha: Right? So, let’s not do that. So, anyways, so write down the quality looking for in a friend. So, column one was that so quality you’re looking for a friend. I wanted friends talk about ideas and not each other. I wanted friends who went to the gym instead and said, “F yes to life and fist pump to life who weren’t just like shoulder shruggers. I wanted friends who I really wanted friends who are wanting to change the world, who are thinking about mission and vision and purpose and passion. So, I wrote all of that down and as soon as you take that time to start writing it down, I swear to God, Hal, like in the same way that your miracle started happening with Miracle Morning, the miracles are happening for me. The intention of putting it out there and writing it down the paper, not even on your phone typing it but the act of writing it begins at manifestation process. And so, all of a sudden, you’re writing down the things you’re looking for a friend, the qualities you’re looking for a friend and it begins to materialize. And then column two was all the qualities I didn’t want in a friend and actually writing it down and finally saying, “Okay, I don’t want friends that should talk to each other. I don’t want friends who should shrug. I don’t want friends who are sort of who are a Netflix and chillers. I don’t want friends who are just like lazy sort of wait for other people to do things, backseat drivers. All those types of people I write down on my list and I also don’t want friends I’m just grandfathering in because I’ve met them in elementary school. I want them to actually continue to inspire me and who I can also inspire.

 

And then column three was all the qualities that I need to embody, probably the most important column. Column three was all the qualities that I need to embody in order to track the friends that I wanted. So, I need to be less workaholic because I can be a work. I think both of us, yeah exactly. I can be definitely workaholic. I love my job, I love what I do, and so I contend to just zone in and look up and it’s 11 PM. So, I need to be less workaholic. I need to be a better listener. I need to be less judgmental. I needed to be more patient like so many things that as entrepreneurs we’re trained not to be and that’s one thing I realized like when you’re trained to be constantly looking for what’s wrong as your job title, it’s hard for me to kind of focus on what’s going right. And so, I need to be less critical as well and focus on compartmentalizing my criticisms to contractors and at work and then be more grateful at home or in my relationship. Relationship should not be so critical of them. So, yes, so all kinds of things were super eye-opening for me. And this kind of foundational exercise I did for myself was truly life-changing. I began to see the value and importance of friendships and what they meant and ultimately, I went from feeling out of belonging and I was kind of marginally successful. I was kind of trudging along in my businesses and all my stuff but as soon as I felt that strength and that connection with others, it took me three years by way. It wasn’t an immediate thing.

 

It takes patience, it takes courage to bring yourself out there but just writing down a three column list and put that in focus for me but it did take me two, three years to actually find that tribe that gave me an exhale of home but I just knew that so I needed to continue focusing on and now I’m now 39, nine years later, I feel more fulfilled, more connected. I have successful businesses because I felt that safety of friendships that I could kind of like fall into when I was struggling in moments of a struggle and friends that I could go out with who I could connect with. All of this sort of my health and wellness I lost 15 pounds. It’s like so much of my life and they say so many says that come out that shows that when you have poor relationships it’s as harmful to your physical health as being an alcoholic and twice as harmful as obesity. And so, having poor social connections actually impact your physical health, which I never realized before. So many of these things are happening to me and I began to realize, “Oh my gosh, like we have been in this country, particularly in America that celebrates rugged individualism, going against the grain like do your own thing like capitalism like every man for himself, grow a pair, you don’t need anybody. Like all that stuff that we celebrate this country that is kind of, yeah, this sort of individualistic behavior is leading us down this really tough path and only until we begin prioritizing the importance of belonging, will we begin to heal our country and our world.

 

I mean, if you look at every single social issue that we’re facing from political polarization to obesity to anxiety, depression to our opiate epidemic, to loneliness and depression, gun violence. Literally, every single one of these social issues that we’re struggling with ladders down to a single thing which is our lack of belonging and lack of belonging crosses both sides of the aisle. So, if we began to focus on that as the ultimate kind of sort of foundational issue, we wouldn’t have gun violence, we wouldn’t have terrorism, we wouldn’t have the political government that we currently have right now if the ones at the top were nurtured in love like so much of what we’re struggling with comes from our lack of belonging. I mean, your article just a few days ago that said that when we don’t feel a sense of belonging, when we’re isolated, we turn to politics and we turn to angry politics as a place to find solace. And so, it’s crazy how we’ve kind of shoved to the concept of belonging under the rug as kind of a nice to have when it is truly the most and most important thing to focus on today.

 

Hal: When you think about like premodern times, I don’t know what modern times exactly and their support to the world where this is the case but when we lived in tribes and villages, that’s all we did all day was belong so to speak.

 

Radha: Exactly. That’s right. We’re around a fireplace dancing. Exactly.

 

Hal: Yeah. So, real quick, for those that don’t know, what is DAYBREAKER? Like, when did you start? What year did it start?

 

Radha: 2013 so we’re kind of going five years. After this Friday is our five-year anniversary.

 

Hal: I don’t remember what year it was, but it was pretty early when I first heard about it. I was like these are my people. It’s just they’re dancing instead of meditating in the morning. Yeah. Talk about that. What is DAYBREAKER? And I’m just curious like what were you doing when you decided, “Hey,” like how did it lead? What is DAYBREAKER and how in the heck did you come up with this and actually make it a real thing that has a half-million people doing it around the world?

 

Radha: Yeah. So, I mean, really, it’s a three-hour experience. Starts from 6 AM to 9 AM. We’re actually launching in San Diego.

 

Hal: The weeks after my event. Yeah.

 

Radha: Yeah. So, after your event but, yeah, we’re trying to message around the world. 6 to 9 AM it’s a one-hour yoga or fitness experience that leads into a two-hour full-on dance party and imagine at 6 AM on a weekday morning dancing with fire spinners and aerialists and stilt walkers and break dancers and all kinds of incredible sort of unbelievable eye candy that will break your sort of mind open, your creative neural pathways open that will connect you with others in a meaningful way and it’s all without alcohol. We serve green juice instead of alcohol and the idea really came from. I was 35 years old living in New York City, again, sort of in the hamster wheel of entrepreneurship. I was working on things, my underwear company and another company that I started and help among this company, and I was just in the hamster wheel of just like work, work, work and I would go out at night to let my hair down and people be hopping on drugs like I would find myself tempted as well many times and I was like, you walk up an establishment, and you’re dealing with the jerk bouncer and I’m like, “This is crazy. I can’t believe I’m still dealing with mean bouncers at the doorway. What if we replace the mean bouncer with a hugging committee?” So, all these ideas again coming to my head. I was just like dealing with mean bouncers, everyone on their cell phone, spilled drinks, everyone is on these designer drugs. It was just like a nightlife experience was always riddled with darkness but still with the beauty, the social side of it. So, the idea came was an idea of like what if we turn nightlife on its head? Well, dance is the most potent form of self-expression. Dance is the most potent form of connection to self and to one another.

 

Again, a reconnection with your creative neuropathways that have been dead for many, many years and your whole life since you were four and started getting ridiculed by your friends and family or looking silly when you dance. But so much of our creativity comes from our willingness to self-express and move our bodies with reckless abandon and we forget that. Instead, we replace it with yoga and various sort of form kind of physical form disciplines where we’re actually if you just let your body swap in its natural formation to music, you’re actually unlocking so much that you’re not unlocking in a typical gym environment. So, anyway, so the idea was okay there’s so much beauty in dance, there’s so much beauty in connection. What is between the morning to and our energy is the most full where studies have shown we’re the most optimistic and we’re most ready to learn. I mean, you know as better than anyone else as well. The morning is actually when we’re again it’s the best time for us to actually to find the transformational moment in our lives. And so, it was a big experiment and I’ve spent several days with my partner thinking about who did we invite the very first one, who’d be what I call my book a very technical term and FYF of fuck yeah friend. And it’s like who’s that FY? Yeah. F friend is going to be like F yeah. I’m going to try this weird morning dance thing.

 

Okay. It sounds bizarre. No alcohol. Okay. I don’t know but fine. I’m going to give it a shot and we invited 300 people and there was a debate because like you’ve entered any community or any new thing, we kind of just and typically invite anybody and everybody who’ll you hope will show up but actually they start a lasting community. It takes a lot of thinking, a lot of sort of intention around what is the right energetic mix to bring together. Just think about what will create that beautiful beginning energetic inertia that can keep a movement going? So, we took that intentionality there for DAYBREAKER and we were very painstaking with the 300 names that we invited and 180 of them showed up and that community, that first initial 180 people set the tone for everything else that was to come and had we not taken that time to really curate that first event and make it positive protected and really think about not the negative. And I was like this is stupid, what am I doing here? And then build that. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch type experience. Everybody that was there wanted to be there. Everybody who was there was excited to be there, was kind of pushing each other to go deeper and deeper the experience. And that was the beginning. By the second time, we had each person who came and invited one friend, so we had 300 the second one. By the third one we had like 450 and by the third one someone came up to me afterwards and say, “Hey, I’m moving to San Francisco, but I’ve come to the first three events and it’s been so incredible. I really want to bring this in San Francisco. Can I do that?” And we were like, “Oh yeah, cool.”

 

So, I spent the next month writing a playbook. So, I wrote the DAYBREAKER playbook and it’s now turned into a 75-page manual playbook that I’ve trained personally every single one of our team leaders around the world. We call our community catalyst in 25 cities in five continents around the world and it’s been really wonderful. We actually fly them to New York City and the final-round kind of like interview sort of training is actually a three-day sleepover at my house as well where we get to know each other beyond just across the table in an office environment but we actually brush our teeth together and connect as humans out of working hours. So, that’s create a sense of loyalty and connection that I can even explain this. It’s been so life-changing as we call the global movement but also as humans building something together that sense of camaraderie and connection been beautiful.

 

Hal: That is beautiful. What’s beautiful, and especially for our listeners. This is the Achieve Your Goals podcast and the emphasis is helping people to achieve their goals whatever those goals are and I’m always bringing people on like yourself that have achieved these extraordinary goals and what I love about what the story that you just shared for anyone listening is that you have no idea. How many people everybody’s got all these ideas, but they don’t act on it and you followed your heart, you followed your intuition, your soul, down the rabbit hole and made this idea which is a crazy idea like let’s launch raves in the morning that serve green juice and are super positive. I mean, like it’s just out there to where and I actually love that your thought on this, if or where did doubt creep up? Like, where you like, “Wait, is anyone going to actually come to this?” Were those thoughts in your head like, “I don’t know if this is a good idea,” or did you feel like, “No, I know this will work if I just do it?” Where were you on the confidence certainty spectrum?

 

Radha: You know, like anything, it’s a social experiment and I think that worst case scenario and I think that is where we just thought about it, worst case scenario, no one shows up and we packed our bags and go to work and, okay, so it didn’t work out. Best case scenario is what happened. But I think like any event kind of creator, it’s constantly a moving target like every year is a new year. Trends are shifting. People are growing up, getting older. We’re getting older ourselves, so we want to create events that are more mature maybe or more in line with our new values because our values do shift over time. So, one of the things that I’ve learned in doing this is again we used to say to one another, “Well, this isn’t what it used to be like that festival isn’t what it used to be or like that thing isn’t what – that conference isn’t what it used to be.” And now I’m just like I tell everybody it’s not supposed to be what it used to be. It’s always supposed to be shifting. It’s always supposed to be evolving. And if you can’t evolve with the evolution of community, you’re going to be one disappointed and left behind. So, it’s really up to each and every one of us to begin to have a more open-minded beginner’s mind about every new evolution of a community and evaluate it for yourself. Is this new iteration of this community, a community that I still feel connected to?

 

And if it’s not then okay great. I mean, at least, I had this wonderful two years with them and it’s been amazing. I no longer feel connected to it. Or, “Oh my gosh, like I am growing in this way and this community is growing with me this way. It feels so much more aligned. I want to go deeper with them.” So, it’s really up to us to continue evaluating whether a community still aligns with our current and new values as they shift as well, but so long as we’re complaining that things aren’t what they used to be or our friendships aren’t what they used to be, you’re going to continue to be disappointed with your own life. So, I think that’s been a big lesson for me is I used to live in the sort of scarcity mindset of, “Oh my God, how I’m going to pay?” and I think most community builders out there aren’t able to pay their bills because they haven’t figured out how to convert a community into a committee that wants it to subsist by contributing financially to make it to survive. And I think the big challenge for all the listeners out there is to begin valuing experience this in the same way that we value goods and products. Like so often friends will be like, “Hey, can you slide me onto your guest list?” And you never walk into an iPhone store and say, “Hey, can you slide me a free iPhone?“

 

So, I just think like it’s time that we begin valuing these experiences that are being created for one another and I stop living in a scarcity mindset and I began to sort of standing strong in this notion that, “Hey, DAYBREAKER is going to continue existing so long as the community continues to support it and show up.” As soon as can we stop showing up, we’ll stop doing it. I’ll do something else. So, the good news is we’ve taken on zero dollars in investment. We’re being very, very careful with that. We want this to be truly for the community, by the community. We’re very, very focused on sort of our bottom line being belonging as our key performance indicator, not turning year-over-year X percent profit to service our investors’ needs. So, it is in that sense, really wonderful to be working on a project like that that has that bottom line. So, I’m sort of hardlined. So, yeah, in that sense I’m really proud that we’ve been able to subsist to five years and continue growing our team, had an office in New York City, employees on salaries. The whole thing and make a living doing something that supports the world. And so, again, it really takes a village, and it takes the members in the community to continue supporting movements like yours and like mine to exist because otherwise, we do something else.

 

Hal: Yeah. I know absolutely. Well, I’m so grateful that you as a community, such a part of my world that when Brianna Greenspan sent me this book, I said you and I had to connect. I was like reading the cover of the book and back of her I’m like, “Oh my gosh, I can’t through this book fast enough.” It’s such a great book.

 

Radha: That makes me so happy.

 

Hal: Yeah. And what’s neat about it is it’s kind of got dual applications where if someone is not at all a business person, they’re not an entrepreneur but they just want to build their personal community. It’s extraordinarily valuable for that. If you are an entrepreneur or a CEO, a businessperson, and you want to build a community from a professional standpoint, then it’s perfect for you for that. So, that’s kind of a neat thing about it is like the emphasis of the book, the foundation of the book I think is really just…

 

Radha: It’s for the individual first. Yeah.

 

[CLOSING]

 

Hal: That the most important thing you could do to live a happy, healthy, and successful life is to belong. So, Radha, any parting words for our listeners before we wrap up today?

 

Radha: Yeah. I think keep showing up and I think that’s really it, keeping your shoes on and showing up and keep prioritizing your sense of belonging and then continue asking yourself. I do a monthly audit. Who are the friends right now that really makes you feel a sense of belonging and continue doing an audit for yourself each and every month, and show up for your friends. It’s not just about taking, it’s about giving to, and really thinking about what are the things, what are the gifts that come naturally to you that you can contribute to your community and as long as we’re thinking about this dance between me and then we like how can we continue self-expressing in our own authentic way while also serving our communities, will we find that deep sense of sort of satisfaction, belonging, and wealth and health.

 

Hal: Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. And goal achievers, everybody listening, check out the book. It’s called Belong: Find Your People, Create Community, and Live a More Connected Life and I really believe communities make the world go round and the community that you’re in if it’s not the right community. If you feel still like there’s not alignment that the people that you’re surrounding yourself with aren’t heading in the direction in their lives that you want to go in your life. There’s no time like the present for you to really evaluate your community and get clear on the people that you’re spending time with and it’s not black and white where everybody is good or bad, or vice versa. But there may be some people in your world that are adding a lot of value and that you guys are supporting each other and being the best versions of yourself and you may have some people in your community, in your circle of influence that don’t fit that and that are causing you emotional distress or influencing you in a negative way mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, you name it. So, by the way, is the book of Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, what’s the best place to pick this up, Radha?

 

Radha: On Amazon, it’s available and in every bookstore in America. It’s also going to mean every Whole Foods, which is very exciting.

 

Hal: That’s super exciting. Kind of a little perk of being friends with John Mackey, huh?

 

Radha: Actually, he didn’t really do it. I called him up and I was like, “Wow, thank you so much.” He’s like, “For what?” And he’s like I don’t have anything to complain. Yeah. So, I was actually quite proud of that.

 

Hal: Thank you. That is very cool. What’s the best way to find, connect with you, find out more about your work, your speaking, you’re about DAYBREAKER. Where are the best places online to find you Radha?

 

Radha: So, if you go to Daybreaker.com you can find the dance but I’m always on the dance floor somewhere around the country. in New York so you can find your city and put your email in. I started getting our secret invitations. Otherwise, for me, I just actually launched a community architecture consultancy that really to support progressive organizations to build their community and their movements and I’m really passionate about supporting other sort of deeply intentional organizations to build their communities and there you can find me. RadhaAgrawal.com is my personal website and then I’m launching Belong Center which is the community consultancy, but that won’t launch for another 6 to 8 weeks, the website itself. So, in the meantime, you can get in touch with directly at RadhaAgrawal.com.

 

Hal: Got it. They’ll all be in the show notes, ladies and gentlemen, but, Radha, I love and appreciate you. It’s so great to connect with you. Thank you for your time today.

 

Radha: Likewise. You’re rad, you’re super cool, and I’m really inspired by your story.

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Hal: The feelings are mutual. Absolutely. Well, goal achievers, thank you for tuning into another awesome conversation and it’s been my pleasure to chat with Radha. I hope you enjoyed eavesdropping on today’s conversation. I love and appreciate you as well and I will talk to you next week. Take care, everybody.

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