Episode 177: Beating Cancer: A Dialogue On Converting Adversity into Advantage with Jon and Hal (Part 1)

[INTRODUCTION]

 

[00:00:31] Jon: Achieve Your Goals Podcast listeners, Jon Berghoff here. Hey, you’re about to listen in to a really special conversation where my good buddy, Hal Elrod, and I we jumped on the phone here or the intra-web video conference live stream. A number of you actually watched live which is really cool. And Hal, it was the first time he’d been on to join us in the last six months and we talked about a lot. It was a fun conversation. This is a two-part episode because we talked for so long. We realized it needed to be turned into two episodes. So, you hear Hal talking about his journey being diagnosed with cancer, what that’s been like for him. We even dove into some stories that we’ve never shared about past projects that Hal and I have been involved in, some that were dramatic failures and we also talked about coffee enemas. And if that does not intrigue you to listen in, I don’t know what will. And then Hal shared a message as well. I don’t know if it will make its way into this part one here or if it gets into part two which will be released next week where he talked about some of his learnings from battling cancer about what matters most in his life and I, for me personally, listening to him talk about that, it’s riveting and it is important and valuable. And so, I cannot wait for you to enjoy this conversation with my good pal, your pal, Hal Elrod.

 

And one more thing, you’ll hear us mentioning several times during our conversation we’re talking a lot about the upcoming Best Year Ever Blueprint Experience which is our big live event we put on now 15 years in a row and you’ll hear Hal and I joking about that. But he’s going to be back this November 17, 18, 19. He wasn’t there last year because he had been diagnosed just weeks before the event. It’s in sunny San Diego, California at the Manchester Grand Heights. You could go to BestYearEverLive.com to learn more about that event. Grab a ticket. Grab two tickets. Bring your whole team. Come to Entrepreneur Day on Friday. If you’re interested, the event sells out every year. We can’t wait to hang out with you. Hal will be there this year. So, enjoy this conversation. We hope you enjoy it. If you do, share it with your friends. Take care, everybody. Bye.

 

[INTERVIEW]

 

[00:02:36] Jon: Should we rock this out?

 

[00:02:37] Hal: Yeah. Let’s do it.

 

[00:02:39] Jon: Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Well, hey, welcome, everybody. We haven’t actually done this together before. So, we spent not hours or minutes but seconds on prep. You’re going to watch us figure out what we’re doing as we do this but, hey, Hal, I just want to say on behalf of the Miracle Morning community, how awesome this is to have you back here. We’re not only streaming this live where I’m sure hundreds, if not thousands, if not more, people are going to check it out and chime in and hang out with us but we’re also recording an Achieve Your Goals Podcast episode and this episode will be the first time that you have been back with your Achieve Your Goals community in almost I think six months. So…

 

[00:03:19] Hal: Yeah.

 

[00:03:20] Jon: Dude, it’s great to be with you, man. Let’s talk and find out what’s been going on in your world and talk about it.

 

[00:03:26] Hal: Yeah. So, for anybody that is tuning in, in fact, I think even if somebody knows the story or you’ve been following that journey, my journey if you will since I was diagnosed with cancer, I think it’s really, well, valuable or interesting to share how that journey unfolded and it started with I woke up in the middle of the night like gasping for air and this was about seven, eight months ago and it happened for a couple of days in a row. I finally went to the urgent care. They thought I had pneumonia. The funny part is the doctor that said, “We think it’s pneumonia,” but when he said like there was no confidence in his voice, no certainty. He goes, “Yeah. It looks like it might be pneumonia. There’s something with your lungs. I’m going to give you a Z-Pak,” which is like the most generic antibiotic, you know, they just hand those out like candy. And he said, “But if you’re not better in a few days, go see your regular doctor and get tested for,” you know, it was funny. Like he had a lot of certainty in, “If you’re not better, go see your doctor. I’m going to throw these antibiotics at you and see if they do something.”

 

And so, it turns out it wasn’t pneumonia and I went and saw my doctor and he set me off for testing and the next day the nurse called and said, “Hey, doctor wants to see you.” She sounded very serious and I was a little concerned. I came in and he sat me down and he said, “Hal, you may have some sort of infection but worst-case scenario it might be cancer.” And, Jon, you know me like I live an anti-cancer lifestyle like we don’t have any chemicals in our house. I eat like a really clean diet. I’m like there’s no way it’s cancer but okay. And I called my wife and I broke down crying and she was actually in Colorado visiting my grandmother which I was supposed to be there but I couldn’t breathe so I couldn’t get on the plane and make the trip and so I stayed back. And I called her and, yeah, I just started bawling. Really just having to share the news with her that it could be that, you know what I mean? And I called you next and you’re the second person I called, buddy. That’s pretty – I hope my mom and dad aren’t watching this or my sister or my other relatives or anyone else but I called you second and it was funny.

 

[00:05:27] Hal: This was my demeanor when I called you. I was crying with my wife but I was laughing with you and I said, “Buddy, worst case scenario it’s cancer. They got to run some tests.” I said, “But if it is cancer, that’s just the next adversity that I have to overcome and I’ll beat it, I’ll figure it out and I’ll probably write a book that will help other people to do the same thing.” And I said that very sincerely still thinking it’s probably not cancer and hoping it wasn’t and praying it wasn’t but being open to if it was. And I think that the lesson there, Jon, is to really accept all things that we can’t change but not just accepting what we can’t change, accept life before it happens and I know you’ve heard me say that, right? It’s like accept life before it happens because things are going to happen to you that aren’t pleasant that you don’t like but the biggest cause of emotional pain and what causes us problems isn’t the things that go wrong. It’s how we respond to the things that go wrong. It’s our resistance. It’s wishing it wasn’t happening versus going, “You know what, can’t change it.”

 

In fact, Jon, I didn’t tell you this. My mom was visiting two days ago and I didn’t know this. Somehow “can’t change it” came up and she said, “Hal, those three words have totally changed my life. And I was like, “Really, mom? I didn’t know that.” And I go, “If anything, I learned that philosophy probably from you seeing how you…” You know, my sister died when I was eight years old and she died in my mother’s arms. She was a year-and-a-half, she was a baby and through the form of a very rare heart defect. And then she died of heart failure one morning and I woke up to my mother screaming across the hall and she was screaming, “My baby, my baby.” And as I’m groggy waking up I’m thinking, I thought she was playing with my sister. I thought she was going, “My baby, my baby,” and having fun with her and then as I came to consciousness I realized that the tone of my mother’s voice, there is fear, there is hurt and I ran across the hall and she’s – it’s hard to tell a story. She’s giving mouth to mouth to my little sister. And so, that was losing your child. I can’t even ima… Buddy, we weren’t supposed to cry on this episode.

 

[00:07:37] Jon: Yeah. I’m glad you held it together this long. I got four bites in my salad here, buddy. I appreciate it.

 

[00:07:42] Hal: You’re good. So, my sister passed away that morning and within a matter of months, my mom was leading a support group for other parents whose children had died that had lost young children, babies or toddlers. And my mom was leading a support group and then my mom and dad founded a fund raiser. They took a fund raiser for the hospital that saved my sister’s life which interestingly enough 20 years later would be the hospital or ten years later that saved my life after I was in a car accident. But I learned from my parents that any adversity, you take it, you accept it, you learn from it and then you find purpose in it that helps others. And so, when I had my car accident that was immediately where I went. It was like everything happened for a reason. I have to choose the reasons. I think that’s a big thing as people going, well, it’s like they’re asking God or they’re cursing the universe like, “Why did this happen to me? I don’t deserve it.” So, I think everything happens for a reason. As you heard the old ism, the old ideology but we have to choose the reasons.

 

And so, that’s an active thing. It’s not waiting for it to fall in your lap. It’s actively asking yourself, “What can I learn from this? How can I use this experience to serve others? How can I use it to serve myself, etcetera, etcetera?” And so, I learned that from my mom and my dad at a very, very young age. And so, when I called you, right, I said, “If it is cancer, I wouldn’t ask for it but I accept it before it happens so it has no power over me.” And that’s it. If we accept life where it happens then when adversity hits us, you’re like, “Oh, I already accepted it and I’ve already decided that when adversity comes my way I’m going to find an empowering meaning in it. I’m going to be grateful for what I have. I’m going to find purpose in it that serves me, my family and the world.” And when you do that, you kind of have this forcefield, if you will. You’re kind of impervious to the adversity because it doesn’t hurt you, it serves you. The adversity doesn’t hurt you. It serves you and it serves anyone that you decide to share it with and find that purpose that’s going to help other people. So, I’m going to take a drink and turn it over to you for some empowering insights you can add.

 

[00:09:47] Jon: Buddy, it’s just great to be here with you, man. It’s great to be here. I think what I’m happiest about right now is I’m just a member of this audience listening to your story. It’s that everybody gets to hear from you. I get to talk to you every day and it just makes me happy that they get to hear from you after six months of not getting to hear from the old pal. They’ve got to tolerate me on the podcast.

 

[00:10:09] Hal: That’s got to be rough. I know what that’s like, yes.

 

[00:10:11] Jon: It’s rough for me. I don’t know how they’re dealing with it.

 

[00:10:13] Hal: No. I keep hearing that – actually, no. Jon, quick compliment. Someone the other day I thought was a great – in fact, I’ve seen a lot of posts similar to this but she just said, “Hal, I’ve missed you on the podcast but if it wasn’t for you leaving and turning over to Jon, I would not have been introduced to Jon Berghoff,” and then she said a bunch of stuff to how you’re super smart and helpful and insightful and you change your life and something like that. So, I’m excited that you have taken the reins and nobody knows me better than you do other than my wife and my parents. But so, yeah, nobody could do it the way you’re doing it.

 

[00:10:45] Jon: I love what you said, buddy, accepting life before it happens and what’s fun is as someone who’s known you for, what is it, 18 years now. You’ve lived that for a really long time. And I really love what you just said that I think is so meaningful for so many of us. Whether you’re here – the title of this podcast is Achieve Your Goals Podcast which, by the way, just brilliant aside. What a great title that allows you to talk about whatever you want that helps people.

 

[00:11:12] Hal: That’s what I think. I learned that from you actually. You actually taught me when we used to title our speeches, you would cover the title like the most important thing.

 

[00:11:22] Jon: The truth.

 

[00:11:23] Hal: Yeah. The truth, there’s one of your speeches, The Truth, and then you’d figure it, you’d be like, “All right. I gave them the title. Now I got three weeks to figure out what in the heck the truth is and what I’m going to talk about,” and, yeah, I learned that from you, buddy.

 

[00:11:33] Jon: I did that at a talk for Cutco. I got invited to their SLC, their manager conference. This was like three years ago and they needed a title to publish and so I said and I think I was just making myself laugh but I told them, the talk is going to be called The Truth. And then I gave a talk where I never actually said the words, The Truth, or anything related to it. But hey, what I was going to say, I digress, is I think that regardless of why somebody wants to improve themselves or their lives or their business, something that you just said that I think is so important is we have to remember that in that moment when it is time to give meaning to something, and I say that as though we all do it consciously because even though I could say it, at least half the time I’m unconscious and I know that when I find myself frustrated over something that I could’ve given a different meaning to. And then the other half the time I feel like I do a decent job.

 

But I think you just reminded all of us, buddy, of something that’s so important which is and for some people finding purpose in an adversity, it might be through their faith that they are helped to find that purpose but I love what you said that at the end of the day, we have to remember that we actually have the power to give meaning to adversity in any way we want. Some people they might give us the question, “What’s the gift within this adversity?” And sometimes we have to keep asking that and the gift is not always going to show up right away and sometimes we have to work and work and work to find that gift but you’re doing it, man, and you’re exemplifying it.

 

[00:13:08] Hal: Well, let me share – you just said something that reminded me about people often tapped into their faith and then for me that’s big. I pray about this every day and that’s one of the ways that helps to gain that clarity. I have an affirmation and this is really a prayer, if you will. There are three parts to it and this is what I pray every day and the first part is thanking God and just the gratitude. And then this third part, it says, “God, I can’t say that I fully understand your plan for me and all the ways you’re using me as a force for good but I trust you with unwavering faith combined with a lifetime of evidence that you’ve always led me toward ideal outcomes and so I give you my unwavering commitment to manifest my highest purpose and inevitable destiny. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make such a big impact in the world. I truly never imaged anything close to what my reality has already become and I feel like this is only the beginning. I am so humbled, so grateful and truly at your service and the service of humanity.”

 

So, the point of that is if you listen to that, it’s I’d say I don’t fully know what the purpose is but I am committed to it like I’m committed to constantly looking at what can I learn from this, how can I serve? And so, I think that it’s not necessarily one purpose. So, for example, I just filed for a 501(c)(3), Support the Unsupported. So, I’m starting a charity called Support the Unsupported. This is actually a great example because it’s an example within an example. I don’t know what the charity is going to do exactly. Like Front Row Foundation is arguably our favorite charity. I mean, it’s united on the board. We’re big supporters and they have a real specific purpose. They send people braving life-threatening illnesses to the front row of the event of their dreams. So, they’re very specific in their purpose. Well, Support the Unsupported, I just was in the hospital getting so much support from my family, my wife, our Miracle Morning community on and on and on and I realized, “Wait a minute.” First, I was like, “Oh my gosh, this is amazing. I’m so grateful for the support,” and that never changed but actually a YouTube comment, someone said, “Hal, this is so great that you have so much support. I hope you’ll pay it forward and support someone else.”

 

[00:15:12] Hal: And I would do it anyway but the way she said it made me realize, “Wait a minute. There are millions of people around the world maybe billions of people that don’t have support whether they’re cancer victims or some other disease or homeless or whatever.” And I thought, “I’m blessed with resources, knowledge, family, friends, love, etcetera, a community that supports me or even just the ability to support myself with the financial resources that I’ve worked for over the years and realize not everyone has those same opportunities. So, Support the Unsupported is the intention that I want to be able to offer support who don’t have access to it or don’t have those resources.

 

So, yes, so great example of even the purpose of the charity, similar to the purpose of our lives, it’s always evolving. We don’t have to know exactly what it is. We just have to be committed to always asking ourselves the questions and, Jon, nobody is better at asking questions than you. I’d love your insights on what types of questions to ask but just always ask myself, what can I learn from this? How does this serve me? How can I use the experience to serve other people? Those are the types of questions that I ask when I face any adversity or any experience. If I learn something at an event, even if it’s not an adversity but I learned something, I always think, “Who do I need to teach this to? Is it my Best Year Ever coaching members? Is it going to be at the Best Year Blueprint this year? Should I share this lesson? Etcetera, etcetera.” So, on the podcast, is Jon Berghoff really struggling in this area? And I could teach him, help him out.

 

[00:16:41] Jon: Could be. Well, buddy, I love it and thanks for sharing with all of us a little bit about this charity that you’re starting even though you don’t have any idea what it’s going to be about, Supporting the Unsupported. That’s what it’s going to be about, supporting the unsupported.

 

[00:16:52] Hal: Yeah. Exactly. And it takes like six months for a 501(c)(3) on average to get approved so I’m like, “All right. I’m going to file for the 501(c)(3) and I’ll figure out what the charity is going to do exactly.” I know it’s going to help people that need help. That’s it, support people that need support.

 

[00:17:05] Jon: That’s great. Hey, some folks asked about reposting that prayer. Maybe we can incentivize them and maybe we ask if people share something of ours, we’ll send them that prayer. I don’t know. I’m just thinking on the spot.

 

[00:17:15] Hal: Yeah.

 

[00:17:16] Jon: In a self-centered way to spread this podcast or anything we’re doing.

 

[00:17:21] Hal: Yeah. No, I’m happy to. I’ll copy and paste the whole and I’ll even get you the two in three parts.

 

[00:17:26] Jon: Sweet.

 

[00:17:27] Hal: Yeah. So, you guys heard the third part. I’ll give you the first two.

 

[00:17:29] Jon: There you go. Yeah, buddy, this is really great. You just said something that I think is also really, really great for people to think about and it’s the idea that their purpose or their mission or reason for existing can evolve and to let it evolve. And I know you asked for my thoughts and that I do a lot of work in this area and mostly with large organizations where we’re helping hundreds of people tap into a collective shared purpose but there’s a lot that we’ve learned doing that. That’s true at the individual level too. And one of them is exactly what you just said which is that people often think they need to predict their future where they need to figure out what their life purpose is as though it is something that is not going to evolve. But you and I have mentors and you and I have experiences ourselves that so much of where our lives and businesses have landed us in positive ways, we never saw it coming. There was no plan that said we’re going to get here.

 

I love what our friend, Jeff Hoffman, says about how important it is not to chase the money but to chase excellence. I was talking with another one of our friends, brother James, the other day and we were talking about a client that I had served where I had donated my services and he had asked me something about how or why I decided for that client to give away something that another client was paying $100,000.00 for. And I just said to him without thinking that when you keep delivering crazy value in this planet, the money chases legitimate value. When you let legitimately create value, you, in the long run, don’t have to worry about being able to make money. And I love how you have always led by example that you’ve always looked for ways to create value and your business has evolved and changed and in ways that you never imagined but financially you’re in a great place not because you had some perfect plan. In fact, even big companies they get put on pedestals. The whole idea of some leader having a vision for the future, in today’s age that doesn’t even work anymore.

 

[00:19:28] Jon: Like you look at the most commonly read book in corporate hallways, Good to Great, half those companies are out of business like the whole idea of having a big vision in a changing world doesn’t matter. And what I love that you have exemplified is you’ve been really clear for a long time in what you have valued and you have valued the idea of finding ways to add value to others and that has always led to you being in a great place and it’s just such a great reminder for all of us.

 

[00:19:59] Hal: Thank you, buddy, and I think to your point that, yeah, not only do you not need to have a master plan. My plan is I typically set a goal for the year. I don’t have the, you know, I’ve sat down before and gone through a workshop for like a ten-year vision and that’s fun but two years and I go like, “I didn’t want those things anymore and I have no interest in doing that.” So, it does change and evolve and I think that there’s so much power in your values, in adding value and in positive intention and winning every day, and having a clear picture of what you’re going to do today and kind of what direction you’re heading but the direction that you’re heading can often veer off to the left or to the right. I mean, it rarely is a straight line and it rarely turns out the way you originally imagined it and it usually takes longer. I think that’s such an important lesson that people are patient on their journey.

 

There’s a saying. I think Will Smith said it, I heard it say it first which is, “It takes ten years to be an overnight success.” And I really look at it was about nine years for me when I left my sales job to start go be an entrepreneur without knowing what I was going to do and we tried all sorts. We launched Global Empowerment Coaching. We launched your Best Life Ever Online Program. We’ve done all sorts of stuff and we were like, “This is the thing,” and then we’re like, “No, this totally is not the thing.” I mean you have to try and you have to fail and we’re still figuring out as we go along.

 

[00:21:19] Jon: Do you remember the Advanced Sales Mastery Club?

 

[00:21:22] Hal: There’s another one. Maybe we need to make a list of how many…

 

[00:21:26] Jon: Do you remember how much unappreciated effort we put into the Advanced Sales Mastery Club?

 

[00:21:31] Hal: We mail out physical newsletters.

 

[00:21:33] Jon: We wrote because we were learning from Dan Kennedy and he…

 

[00:21:36] Hal: Yeah. Yeah.

 

[00:21:37] Jon: We thought it was a good – but there was a minor detail that we overlooked which was that he had like 200,000 subscribers so I think it was worth it. It was worth his energy to pump out. So, he would put in the mail and so we just copied it. We’re like, “Oh, we should do this too.” I still have – hey, could you guys hand me an original Advanced Sales Mastery Club binder. I have…

 

[00:21:57] Hal: I got one too. Yeah.

 

[00:21:58] Jon: …one of these left. One day we should auction this off. So, I’m going to show people what we did if you’re watching the live stream. So, here it is. We created this program specifically for Cutco reps. This is like 10, 15 years old. So, check this out. So, every month we would send a newsletter so if you’re listening to the podcast you got to go find the live stream. And, look, Vroman.

 

[00:22:20] Hal: There’s Jon Vroman.

 

[00:22:20] Jon: There’s Jonny Vroman. So, these newsletters were like 10-page newsletters and we were making like no money on it.

 

[00:22:28] Hal: I think we were losing money. What are we…

 

[00:22:30] Jon: I think what you call that when you do something where you make less money than it cost you is a hobby. I think this was a hobby.

 

[00:22:36] Hal: It was a hobby. Yeah.

 

[00:22:37] Jon: But, look, this binder is thick. And even better, it’s not only did we pump out…

 

[00:22:41] Hal: We sent a CD every month.

 

[00:22:42] Jon: We sent a CD in the mail every month.

 

[00:22:45] Hal: A CD and a newsletter.

 

[00:22:47] Jon: Yeah. We sent a CD and a newsletter every month.

 

[00:22:50] Hal: Oh man.

 

[00:22:51] Jon: We did that for about a year-and-a-half.

 

[00:22:54] Hal: Yeah. I forgot. Why did we stop? I don’t remember the conversation that led us going, “What are we doing?”

 

[00:22:59] Jon: I don’t know. I think we’re all broke and we needed to do something else.

 

[00:23:02] Hal: Something. Yeah. Then we launched your Best Life Coaching or…

 

[00:23:05] Jon: Yeah. That was a 28-day program because we realized, “Wow, this monthly thing is exhausting.” It’s like giving birth to a child.

 

[00:23:12] Hal: Oh man.

 

[00:23:14] Jon: What else have we done together that we’ve forgotten about? This is a fun topic. In case anyone is wondering, there is zero preparation for this part of the conversation.

 

[00:23:22] Hal: Yeah. Global Empowerment Coaching where we had coaches that worked underneath us. My wife, my wife was one of our coaches that coached new accountability coaching. Yeah. And my wife goes through coaches training and she became a coach. She was my girlfriend way back then. I mean, we were dating for like a year I think. Yeah, but…

 

[00:23:39] Jon: You got me into coaching. Can we tell that story? I mean, there are some parts of it that I’m not going to share but I think most of it…

 

[00:23:44] Hal: Yeah. I think retroactively you owe me like probably tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth…

 

[00:23:50] Jon: Hundreds of thousands of dollars, yeah.

 

[00:23:52] Hal: There should’ve been some – I’m a terrible business person. It’s like what percentage of your coaching income I should’ve negotiated upfront?

 

[00:23:59] Jon: Yeah. Because you gave me all of it right up front. Yeah. So, here’s what happened. So, I was in the health club industry which I was enjoying. The company I was at, and I was only 23 years old and we were kicking butt, and then I wanted to find something else to do. So, I got a real estate license because I had three friends that wanted to sell a house and I wanted to sell their houses and then I had – I was like selling furniture out of some abandoned warehouse out of the newspaper and then you called me and were like, “Hey, buddy, I’m doing this thing.” This is back in 2004 maybe. “So, I’m doing this thing called coaching,” where you sit in your underwear and you talk to people on the phone and they pay you money and I thought, “This is genius.” I went through Jeff Sooey’s Coaches Training Program, the one that you had gone through, and then you just handed me all these clients or they weren’t yet clients. They were sales people.

 

[00:24:50] Hal: On my waiting list or something?

 

[00:24:51] Jon: Yeah. They had won a free coaching session so you handed me a list of people that had won a free coaching session and you said, “Well, here, I got a full book and just call these people.” So, I just started calling these people, signing them up for coaching long before I knew if I could actually do a decent job of coaching people.

 

[00:25:09] Hal: Nice.

 

[00:25:09] Jon: That’s how it all started, buddy. You got me started with the coaching and that…

 

[00:25:12] Hal: Actually, it’s really funny. You just said something you were doing the health club thing and then you wanted to do something else. Remember, you were going to sell furniture and then you were going to do real estate. The reason that reminds me, my dad this morning goes, “Hey,” so we were painting the garage. I should tell everybody. I don’t do manual labor but my dad is here and we’re selling our house and he wanted, he’s like, “Let’s paint your garage.” So, we’re painting the garage in like 96-degree Austin humid weather today. That’s what I did before. I literally almost had a heat stroke. I was like about to faint before I came into the podcast.

 

So, my dad goes, “So, how are things going with you and Jon Berghoff as far as your guys’ partnership with Best Year Ever Blueprint and all that good stuff and your Mastermind?” and I said, “Really good I think. Everything’s great.” And he goes, “I know Jon. He seems to get kind of antsy and want to try new opportunities. Does that concern you at all? Do you think that it’s going to be a long-term thing?” And it was funny, I said, “Yes. Jon and I have so much fun. We love each other. We’re best friends. We have so much fun working together.” I said, “And I think that he’s passionate about what we do together and so I think we’re good.” So, anyway, so in front of all of our listeners and viewers, Jon, was my assessment correct? Are we good?

 

[00:26:26] Jon: We’ll see how it goes this year.

 

[00:26:27] Hal: Should I be worried?

 

[00:26:28] Jon: Let’s see how it goes.

 

[00:26:28] Hal: Well, are you going to pull me and not show up to Best Year Ever Blueprint this year?

 

[00:26:32] Jon: It is my year off, isn’t it?

 

[00:26:34] Hal: Yeah. I took last year. I was in the hospital. I took last year off so, yeah, we can switch roles this year.

 

[00:26:38] Jon: Yeah. We have a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun with that event. I know many of our viewers and listeners you attend every year and what do we get? This will be our fifth year coming up, right? Fifth year?  

 

[00:26:47] Hal: Is it really?

 

[00:26:47] Jon: This is our fifth year?

 

[00:26:48] Hal: Or fourth.

 

[00:26:48] Jon: Fourth? Fifth? Let’s call it – let’s just round up to the tenth. Let’s call it the tenth year.

 

[00:26:53] Hal: Yeah. I think it’s our fourth. First, second – I think it’s…

 

[00:26:56] Jon: Second, third, fourth year. Fourth year. It’s our fourth year running.

 

[00:26:59] Hal: So, let me, guys – the venue. What is it? The…

 

[00:27:02] Jon: Grand Hyatt. Manchester Grand Hyatt.

 

[00:27:03] Hal: Grand Hyatt. You and I went and looked at like umpteen hotels and that one we fell in love with. We’re like this is the nicest hotel in San Diego and I was so excited to just to be there for the event and it overlooks the water and all of that and, yeah, it was such a bummer that I didn’t get to share that experience with you at that hotel and with our group. But this year, this year will be different. I’ll be there.

 

[00:27:29] Jon: Wait. What do we want to talk about now? How are you doing right now? So, you shared the story about your diagnosis. So, what’s your status today? How many rounds of chemo have you gone through?

 

[00:27:39] Hal: So, I’ve done seven rounds of – and I didn’t know this but the chemotherapy treatment that I’m on, let me share this with everybody. So, I’m big into health and I’m big into doing things that build the body naturally and make it strong and so I always said that if I ever got cancer, I would never need chemotherapy. I would just do everything I could holistically. And so, when I went into the hospital, I got my lung checked, 11 days went by and they had to stick this big needle in my back and drain my lung and they would take out like a litter up to one day they took 2 liters of fluid out of my lung and they did that like I think 11 times over a two-week period. And then I finally got diagnosed with cancer officially. I went in for a second opinion to this MD Anderson Hospital. It’s one of the best cancer facilities in the world and they did all these tests on me and I went to my doctor and I said, “Hey,” or I was meeting him for the first time and he’s like one of the best leukemia doctors in the world and the cancer I have was a very rare form of leukemia.

 

And I said, “So, hey, doctor, I’d prefer to treat my cancer holistically and I’d like your opinion on if you can support me in doing that.” And he said, “Hal, you’ll be dead between four days and three weeks,” I think that’s what he said. He basically he said, “If you do that you’re going to die.” And it almost like an arrogant doctor tone the way he said and I was kind of like anytime someone tells you, “You’re going to die if you don’t do what I say,” it doesn’t sit well I think with probably most people but I was like, “What a jerk.” But the truth was at that point and he explained, he goes, “Look, your lungs continue to fill fluid because you have cancer. You have acute lymphoblastic leukemia and your lymph nodes are going to continue to do what they’re doing which is causing your lung to fill a fluid unless we stop that.” He goes, “You told me you’re already healthy. We can’t go tweak your diet or do something natural that’s going to prevent that. It’s going to continue to happen.” He said, “Right now your kidneys they’re about to fail.”

 

[00:29:37] Hal: And he said, “And your heart is surrounded by a sack of fluid that’s about an eighth-of-an-inch thick.” He said, “If it gets to be a half-of-an-inch thick, your heart won’t be able to beat anymore.” He said, “So, you go change your diet if you want and take some supplements and go to the sauna,” and he said, “but you’ll be dead in a matter of weeks, between a few days and a few weeks.” So, I kind of felt like my hand was forced and it was like, “Ah, I didn’t want to do chemotherapy,” just because chemo it’s not like it helps the body. It’s not curing the body. It’s not doing anything positive to the body. It’s not curing the cause of the cancer. It’s just killing the cancer and your body is kind of a battlefield. The collateral damage happens on your body is the battlefield.

 

So, long story short, I went through the chemo and right away the doctor was right. My lung drained itself of fluid because it handled the problem. Now actually this was scary, Jon, and I probably told you this way back when but for my heart they actually had to go in and I was, he said, “Here’s the procedure. We have to go in with a needle into the sack of fluid that is directly around your heart. It’s an eighth-of-an-inch thick and he said, “It’s a very risky procedure because as your heart beats,” it’s only one-eighth. I mean what’s one-eighth of an inch? He said, “We have to pierce that one-eighth of an inch but your heart, we have to be careful that it doesn’t beat into the needle while we’re draining it.”

 

[00:30:59] Jon: It’s like you should’ve live streamed that. That would’ve been great.  

 

[00:31:01] Hal: Yeah. Oh man, I’ve got pictures of that procedure. It was terrifying, right? I mean, so I go in and it’s a really scary procedure and I just sign a waiver that’s like, “If your heart beats and we stab it with a needle and you die we’re not liable.” Right? Anyway…

 

[00:31:18] Jon: That’s a strong waiver.

 

[00:31:19] Hal: Yeah. So, here’s – actually, I’m not going to go long story short on this, Jon. I’m going to share with you…

 

[00:31:23] Jon: No. Let the long story go longer, buddy. That’s why we’re here.

 

[00:31:26] Hal: Yeah. Well, even when I say long story short, it’s trying to keep me accountable to keep the stuff short but I know we keep going. So, here’s what happened. So, they put me to the chemo and right away all the symptoms kind of went away. They drained my heart, my kidneys started working again. Everything started working again and I immediately started studying holistic treatments for cancer. I was immediately going, “Okay.” Well, I already kind of been doing it but I got really, really into it and looking at how I could support what I was doing with the allopathic Western medicine, how I could support that in a healthy way to build my body up, my immune system, detoxify the chemo, etcetera. And I immediately went from resisting having chemo to it was like I didn’t want to do it in the first place. My hand I felt like it was forced but then it was like every time I met with my doctor it was, “When can I quit the chemo?”

 

And what I didn’t know until much later is the chemo regimen that I’m on, it’s called Hyper-CVAD. It’s one of the, if not the most, intense chemotherapies you can get. Like, most people when they have cancer they go on for chemo maybe once a month and they go in and they get an injection for a few hours and that’s their chemo. I go in for four or five days. I’m hooked up to an IV in my arm. In fact, you can see on the live stream these are the scars from the pick line that was in my arm and I had these lines that go, the line goes through my vein and into my heart because the chemotherapies are so strong, they will burn through your tiny veins in your arm. So, they have to have a tube that runs into your thick veins in your chest. Otherwise, it will burn a hole in your veins in your arm and it’s real bad. And then I have – this is the same scar on the other arm for, say, we have one over here. It got clogged. They had to take it out, put one over here and I had them take this lying out of this arm so that I could swim with my kids for these last four weeks and not lose the whole summer with them. So, what happened, I immediately was resisting the chemo and wanting to quit. When can I quit? When can I quit? When can I quit?

 

[00:33:20] Hal: And my dad was researching, he was doing all this research and my wife’s dad and I have friends doing research, and my dad essentially, he was finding that the cancer that I had that it was very aggressive and he would find people that had quit their chemo early and then the cancer it comes back, it attacks and then they die. And there are all sorts of like brain cancer was one of the problems where my cancer will go up the spinal column and hide in your brain and then turn into brain cancer. So, I had to get chemotherapy injections in my spine. I had to get eight of them over at four treatments where they stuck you with a needle in my spine and inject a chemotherapy. Again, I’m like, “That sounds terrible,” when they’re telling me about what they’re going to do. I’m like, “This is so not in line with the way that I approach health,” and like this is terrible.

 

[00:34:10] Jon: That’s the only thing that sounds worse than having to paint your garage with your dad.

 

[00:34:14] Hal: Yes. It was a tossup. But so, the injections to my spine, I was resisting those. I’m like, “Can I just do the chemo without those?” And then my wife meets a friend who her husband had almost the same cancer that I had and it was before they knew to do the spinal injections. He went through the same chemotherapy that I did. They thought they got rid of his cancer. They said he was in remission, and sure enough, it went up his spinal column into his brain and he died of brain cancer. So, my wife found that out from her friend and her friend said, “Do the spinal injections.” But one day I did a spinal injection and the woman did it wrong. She went into the wrong spot and that was probably the lowest point in this whole journey, one of maybe two, but I ended up with horrific migraine headaches for, in fact, that’s why I didn’t go to Best Year Ever Blueprint.

 

[00:35:07] Jon: Yeah. I remember that.

 

[00:35:07] Hal: That’s why I missed it. Yeah.

 

[00:35:08] Jon: I remember that.

 

[00:35:09] Hal: My plan was I was going to fly out, me and my dad we’re going to fly out and surprise everybody at the event last year and it was like the day before I was supposed to fly out or two days before that I got this injection and I ended up with round-the-clock migraine headaches that were so bad that they had me on morphine. Nothing took the pain away. It was insane. So, but here’s kind of a conclusion of where this resistance to chemotherapy. And what I started doing was researching holistic protocols and learning, okay, how can I detoxify, right? Because a lot will die from chemo. You may have heard that. More people, it’s like half people die from the cancer but half of them die from the chemotherapy because it’s poisoning their body. It’s very toxic. So, I started detoxifying my liver through coffee enemas. Jon, you know anything about coffee enemas?

 

[00:35:58] Jon: Oh man, I was just so hoping you’d talk about this. I’m just thinking, “I hope he’s going there,” because come on, man, when have we ever gone to talk publicly to your 300,000-person email list about coffee enemas?

 

[00:36:12] Hal: Yeah. And let me just say for everybody listening to get a very comprehensive like technical training on how to do the coffee enema and we’ll sell you on it here in the next 20 or 30 or whatever minute or two or five.

 

[00:36:25] Jon: We could be here for days.

 

[00:36:27] Hal: Yeah. Google Bulletproof Coffee Enema and Ben Greenfield did an article and that’s the article I send to people in terms of it really explains the science behind or why to do it, etcetera, etcetera. But I did send Jon, I always send Jon gifts off Amazon. I surprise him and one day he got a stainless-steel bucket with a tube in it that he would insert into his buttocks to do a coffee enema and that’s the kind of gifts that we get each other because we care about each other’s health.

 

[00:36:54] Jon: And I’m the kind of friend that’s not going to turn away the opportunity.

 

[00:36:57] Hal: I think it’s weird. Yeah. It’s funny. I’m doing coffee enemas. Jon’s doing them. My wife’s doing them. My buddy, Jeremy Katen, is doing them. Our nanny is doing them. I’ve got like our director, Nick Conedera.

 

[00:37:05] Jon: I tried to talk my seven-year-old son into it last night.

 

[00:37:09] Hal: Did you?

 

[00:37:09] Jon: Yeah. I tried to talk him into it because he’s got – I think it would heal a lot of things for him. We got really close but he kind of chickened out at the end and I said, “Hey, it’s okay, buddy.”

 

[00:37:18] Hal: It’s all right. Yeah. Some people it takes a little longer but we can get into coffee enemas later. But everybody should try it. In fact, I believe it was Chris Wark who his website is ChrisBeatCancer.com and he healed himself of cancer naturally, holistically 13 years ago and now he’s interviewed the best holistic doctors in the world over the last decade or so. And he said that the number one way to either prevent cancer and as well as a lot of other diseases or heal yourself with cancer is through detoxifying your liver, and coffee enema is arguably the best way to do that.  

 

[00:37:52] Jon: We got – hold on. I just have to tell you. So, in the chat box right now.

 

[00:37:55] Hal: Yeah. I’m not looking.

 

[00:37:56] Jon: Every other chat, one of them is like, “I do coffee enemas. Those are great.”

 

[00:38:00] Hal: No way.

 

[00:38:00] Jon: And then there’s one who’s like, “What the – what am I listening to right now? What did I just show up at?”

 

[00:38:05] Hal: That’s funny. There will be a podcast I do one day on coffee enemas. I’ll probably do just a full podcast episode down the road.

 

[00:38:13] Jon: Yeah. We should live stream it. We should live stream.  

 

[00:38:15] Hal: Well, we should do a demonstration. Yeah. It’s a demonstration. Yeah. We’ll do a demonstration.

 

[00:38:19] Jon: Yeah.

 

[00:38:19] Hal: All right. Let’s just keep going. I will say we’ll do them side by side. So, here’s the point I’m trying to get to. I’ve been doing so much research on the holistic side and I’ve been doing – so I’ve been doing ozone sauna which is a way to detoxify the body. I’m into coffee enemas. I’m taking an insane amount of supplements and I research. Every stuff that I do, we read the ingredients because a lot of supplements are bad. They’ve got all sorts of fillers and it’s stuff you don’t want to put in your body. You think, “Oh, Vitamin B. That’s great,” and you turn it over and it’s got magnesium stearate and it’s got all these different preservatives and stuff you don’t want. But even after researching, so I’m taking like 40 supplements. It’s crazy. I take like 70 pills a day, something crazy. And that’s not medication. That’s just natural stuff. In fact, I take almost no medication unless I have to but here’s the conclusion that I came to with this. After about four treatments out of my eight Hyper-CVAD chemotherapy treatments, after my dad had done enough research and realized, “Hal, you need to do all of the eight treatments. This isn’t like other cancers where you have a tumor. You can change your diet and then it’s going to shrink it.” So, he said, “You’ve got to do all the chemo.”

 

And so finally I said okay. I switched my mindset. I stopped resisting and there was something that Jairek Robbins, he shared that his dad Tony Robbins shared with him and it was that when Jairek was in a foreign country, and I don’t want to quote, I don’t know the exact country but I think he got malaria I believe it was. He went into the hospital. They wanted to give him one or two medications. He called his dad. He goes, “Dad, I don’t normally take medication. I don’t know what to do,” and his dad said, “Jairek, if you have 100% certainty that your medication, whatever you take, that it will work, maintain 100% certainty that it will work that it will heal you,” he said, “and it will. That’s the power of that mind-body connection.” I went, “You know what, he’s right.” I could be causing the cancer to stick around because I feel like the chemo is going to cause the cancer to come back or whatever.

 

[00:40:22] Hal: And so, I switched my mindset and I wrote an affirmation because you can’t just hear something as, Jon, as you know and expect that you’re going to remember it. When you hear something profound, you better put it into an affirmation that you’re going to read every single day until it seeps into your subconscious, reprograms your subconscious mind and it shifts the way that you think permanently, not just in that moment because you’ll forget. You got to permanently do it through the affirmations. And so, for me, I’ve had an affirmation that says, “I’m trusting my doctors and I am maintaining 100% certainty that the Hyper-CVAD chemo, all eight rounds, is going to heal my body and I will support myself holistically through an alkaline diet and all these other practices to keep the cancer gone forever.” And here is what I realized. This was the most profound realization related to purpose and related to Support the Unsupported.

 

In the beginning, Jon, when I was first diagnosed, in fact, I think I must have said this to you when I called you. I said, “I’m going to go all natural, totally holistic and then I’m going to write a book and I’m going to shift the perspective so people realize you don’t have to take poison and take drugs to heal yourself of cancer or whatever disease. You can do it with diet and you can do it with meditation. You can do it naturally.” That was my original plan and here is the aha that I have. I thought if I had written –  this was about halfway through around my fourth out of my eight cycles. I thought if I had written that book, if I had written a book that said Go All Natural, the Miracle Morning for Cancer, treating cancer naturally or whatever and if I had written that, then you think about it, how few people that would’ve impacted. How few people that would’ve impacted because you think about if you read that book but you’re sitting across from your doctor like I was and you go, “Hey, doc. I wanted to do this holistically. I read this book, the Miracle Morning for treating cancer naturally, whatever it is and I want to do it naturally,” and your doctor says, “You’ll be dead in three weeks.”

 

[00:42:21] Hal: And if your spouse is sitting next to you, I mean, what’s the person going to do? They go, “No, no, no, no, no, but this is Hal Elrod. He wrote the Miracle Morning and I trust him,” and you turn to your spouse, “Sweetie, I know my doc is an expert at cancer but Hal wrote in his book.” So, I realized I would impact very few people. I realize that most people are going to listen to their doctor which I advise that you do that but if it wasn’t for my doctor and Western Medicine and allopathy medicine, I would be dead probably. So, what I can do though is, Jon, I now have the ability because I’ve gone through both sides and I’ve supported holistically, I’ve had arguably such minimal effects and symptoms from the chemotherapy. As I said earlier, I’m going through like the hardest chemo you can go through and I’m having minimal effects. My vision of chemotherapy is I always pictured somebody over a toilet just vomiting, horrific vomiting. That was my vision of what it would be like to go through chemo. I’ve had almost none of that and I almost didn’t even realize it until later and someone reminded me that you’ve got this really intense chemo. It’s one of the worst protocols, one of the hardest protocols and you’re responding amazingly to it and it’s because of the holistic, the things I’m doing on the backend.

 

So, the point is I’ve realized now when I write the book it’s going to be, hey, listen to your doctors by all means but they’re not going to tell you because I’ve asked my doctor, “What part does diet plays?” He says, “It doesn’t matter. Just do the chemo.” “Well, what about detoxing my liver so the chemo doesn’t build up and cause the problems that chemo toxicity causes?” He said, “I don’t know. Just do the chemo.” So, doctors are not taught. They’re not taught like the tradition. They’re not taught that. They read their textbook and it’s like here’s the chemotherapy drugs you can prescribe and here’s the pharmaceuticals that you can prescribe and that’s pretty much it, unless you’re a surgeon, here’s how you do the surgery. They don’t learn about anything on the backend, anything holistic at least and I’ve read that medical school, it’s like they spend one day on nutrition. In four years of medical school or eight years or whatever it is, one day on nutrition.

 

[00:44:28] Hal: So, the point is that I feel like everything happens for a reason, and although going through the journey it caused me so much mental pain at different points and not to mention the physical pain of some of the things I’ve gone through but thinking that I’m putting this in my body and I don’t agree with this. I don’t agree with poisoning the body with toxic chemicals. I don’t agree with that. It was so hard and then I realized, “Oh it’s for a higher good. It’s so that I can now share with…” Because there are 1.5 million people roughly in the US with cancer and most of them, the large majority are going through chemotherapy and the large majority, I mean, I’m literally talking 99% are doing little to nothing on the backend holistically to support their body, to detoxify from the pharmaceutical drugs that they’re putting in it to build their immune system. Like you go to the hospital, the cafeteria, hospital cafeteria, I see people hooked up to an IV stand drinking soda and eating pizza and I’m just like, “That might be why you have cancer. I don’t know.” So, anyway, I’m very passionate about this topic but I’ll stop ranting and turn it over to you for some thoughts or guidance.

 

[00:45:43] Jon: Or just filler. I just filler and then come back to you when you’re done drinking your drink.

 

[00:45:48] Hal: Some filler.

 

[00:45:49] Jon: Oh man. Well, I would hope, buddy, that as everyone is listening at a minimum, at a minimum, people are thinking twice about how they take care of their bodies which is it’s a temple. And I’m so grateful that you came back to join us today and for us to connect with everybody because you and I both believed for such a long time that taking care of our bodies is so important. And neither you or I understand nor does anybody how you got cancer but that’s no reason for you to not still leave your values as you’re treating it and dealing with it, and you are and you’re crushing it and it’s so great to hear it. And I just hope everyone is thinking about what they put into their body. And I guess I would also put it differently too that we should not only think about what we put into our body but make sure that we’re learning, make sure that we’re becoming educated in a diverse way, careful around who our environment is, careful around who we listen to, careful around who our influences are and we need to search for the truth, whatever that truth is. And it might be a different truth for each person individually as to how they should take care of their bodies.

 

But the word wholeness, the word wholeness, the root of that word is hale and hale means healthy. To be whole is to be healthy and I would just encourage anybody when it comes to nutrition to think about how closely are they eating to foods that come right out of the ground. And maybe many of us are not able to eat food that comes right out of the ground but how close can you get to that? People would be really – they’d be, A, surprised how close you can get to that and, B, surprised how easy it is to eat things that are processed that we don’t really give much energy or attention to that are doing a ton of damage to our bodies. And then when it comes to physical well-being and I have long been an amateur athlete who has competed in a lot of super long endurance events and I’ve always just found my own way.

 

[00:47:48] Jon: I’ve been self-educated I guess which is there’s no such thing as self – I mean, somebody educated me but I just learned what I could and people have always asked me for advice. I’m not a professional athlete. I will say that I’ve been able to succeed in my business I believe because of how I’ve taken care of my health because there’s no separation between the two. There’s no separation between our psychology and our ability to think, our neurology and what we put into our bodies and what we do to our bodies. And I believe that it is so important that people think about this word, wholeness, as it comes to their physiology.

 

So, in other words, it’s not just walking every day. It’s not just, “Should I go do yoga?” It’s not just, “Should I lift weights?” It’s not just, “Should I go to this class or do this or that?” It might be everything. It might be a little bit of everything because it’s the imbalance that leads to injuries of all different types. It’s when things get out of alignment when we do a lot of one thing but we’re not balancing out how we treat our bodies. So, I just encourage people to think about movement. How much are you moving every day? Like I’m standing right now because that serves me physically. I notice it when I switch from sitting to standing, for me, and everybody’s different.

 

[00:49:03] Hal: I’m sitting because I have cancer.

 

[00:49:04] Jon: You have cancer. You can do whatever. Even…

 

[00:49:06] Hal: I can sit. Yeah.

 

[00:49:07] Jon: You can be doing a coffee enema right now. We’d love that. But for me when I started standing instead of sitting, muscles in my body that for years and years and years were overly tight are now no longer tight. Like my body has realigned because I spend more time standing. And also, I do a lot of exercise for 20 to 30 minutes and oftentimes I’ll do that two or three times a day because I don’t have a schedule where I can go do something for an hour-and a-half every day or more than that. But those are just little things that have worked for me. But, Hal, we’ve inspired each other I think. You inspired me when you moved in with me 18 years ago. Back then you and I had a different – we had a different idea. We thought that…

 

[00:49:49] Hal: Slimfast shakes and lean cuisine.

 

[00:49:51] Jon: Yeah. We thought lean cuisine and Slimfast shakes, and do you remember you taught me how to make this burrito. It was like a – this was back in the day where low-fat meant something, low-fat tortillas and low-fat black…

 

[00:50:03] Hal: Low-fat cheese.

 

[00:50:04] Jon: Low-fat cheese and we put it in the microwave. That’s probably what gave you cancer.

 

[00:50:08] Hal: Yeah. It was like plastic cheese.

 

[00:50:10] Jon: Yeah. So, but we cared. We cared.

 

[00:50:13] Hal: Yeah. We were trying.

 

[00:50:14] Jon: We tried. We did our best. Oh man, that’s so funny. Is there anything else that we used to do that we thought was a good idea that’s no longer a good idea?

 

[00:50:25] Hal: Sleeping in the same bed? Our listeners, our Best Year Ever Blueprint attendees, I know we announce that each year. That’s our story but, yeah, we slept in the same bed for like four months from age – you were what? 18. I was 21, something like that.

 

[00:50:39] Jon: Yeah. Yeah. When we first met, might as well tell the story.

 

[00:50:42] Hal: Yeah. I was like we should probably give some context.

 

[00:50:45] Jon: We first – oh Holly just said, “What are your thoughts on the microwave?” Holly, I haven’t used one. I haven’t used a microwave for nine years.

 

[00:50:52] Hal: Holly, thank you. I was actually going to say that.

 

[00:50:54] Jon: Hal, what do you think of the microwave?

 

[00:50:56] Hal: Yeah. So, when I learned, I don’t remember what book I was reading but it just talked about what a microwave does to your food and essentially it kills the food. It zaps the energy, the lifeforce out of the food. I put a post-it note up on my microwave. This was like in 2005 so 12 years ago, 2004, and it said, “Do not use the microwave. It kills the energy or the lifeforce in your food.” So, yeah, I almost never use a microwave. Maybe once a year. And we got a toaster oven. That’s the solution. You get a toaster oven and then they can eat the food without killing it in the same way. Yeah. Don’t eat anything out of a can, I mean, that sort of thing. Nothing out of a can.

 

[00:51:34] Jon: By the way, we’re both amateurs and Hal’s got cancer so you might want to think twice with all of our advice.

 

[00:51:39] Hal: That is so funny.

 

[CLOSING]

 

[00:51:42] Jon: All right. This is Jon Berghoff here. Achieve Your Goals Podcast listeners, we are cutting off the conversation here. This is the end of Part 1 and Part 2 will be released next week. Hope you’ve enjoyed this. Having already recorded Part 2, I can just tell you it’s going to be worth the wait. Check it out as soon as it gets released. And again, to so many of you who have been fans, friends, supporters for so many years of Hal as he’s going through his journey, thank you for your continued support and we know we’re going to see many of you at our Best Year Ever Live Blueprint event. Coming up in November it’s going to be here before we know it. So, if you’re planning on joining us, we know many of you are, it’s our annual get together. Hal will be there this year. We can’t wait to hang out with you to help you to create your best year ever. You could go find out about that at BestYearEverLive.com. Take care, everybody. Bye.

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