Episode 158: Inside The Minds of Millionaires with Jaime Masters

[INTRODUCTION]

 

[00:00:32] Jon Berghoff: Welcome to episode number 158 of The Achieve Your Goals Podcast. I’m Jon Berghoff standing in for Hal Elrod. I’m still figuring out this whole podcasting thing. If you just showed up and you want to know why I am standing in for Hal, go listen episode 152. Many of you know, Hal is bravely and courageously battling cancer, a crazy rare form of cancer.

 

As always at this moment if you don’t mind sending out positive vibes to Hal, and Hal will be the first one to ask you to send them to anybody and everybody in your world who could benefit by your positive energy right now. So, I was just handed a note that said, make sure you are recording us because you did not want this yesterday and you screwed it up and you did not hit records. Let us see how you are doing. Hal Elrod himself just entered in the chat box, “Wow, I love Jaime Masters.”

 

[00:01:22] Jaime Masters: Energy, energy to Hal, go, go.

 

[00:01:25] Jon Berghoff: Send it. Hal, you know why I know that you love Jaime because something that a lot people don’t know about you guys is you are big UFC fans, you both eat UFC cereal for breakfast, you both wear UFC underwear and that’s about where that ends. So, hey everybody I have got Jaime Masters. Jaime Masters has interviewed over 450 millionaires, bizzzilionaires and trillionaires. Jaime is also the author of a book and I have to admit, I just got to know Jaime starting about 15 minutes ago. She is the author of, “Eventual Millionaire.” She is going to answer some questions today. She is going to answer my questions. She might answer some of your questions about what she has learnt from interviewing over 450 millionaires. So, Jaime I’m ready to go are you ready to go?

 

[00:02:12] Jamie Masters: Always.

 

[INTERVIEW]

 

[00:02:13] Jon Berghoff: Awesome. If you are watching on the live stream please share your questions for Jaime directly through the chat. If you are listening through the podcast, awesome. Jaime, where do we start? I’m looking forward to this. You have interviewed a lot of smart people, I know that you are in high demand. You are somebody that entrepreneurs have turned to for advice on everything from, how to be super hyper efficient and effective to online marketing. What are some of your favorite things to teach or topics to talk about?

 

[00:02:45] Jaime Masters: I like UFC number one. Number two …

 

[00:02:47] Jon Berghoff: Who is your favorite fighter?

 

[00:02:50] Jaime Masters: We are going to get on a tangent if you don’t know very much about UFC, we are not going to go down that path. I also right now like Conor McGregor as you said beforehand.

 

[00:02:58] Jon Berghoff: First of all is Conor going to get up fighting for Floyd Mayweather?

 

[00:03:02] Jaime Masters: Okay, do you want go down this path, because… Me and Hal we will go down this later. Who knows?

 

[00:03:09] Jon Berghoff: Yes, who knows?

 

[00:03:09] Jaime Masters: Let’s see.

 

[00:03:10] Jon Berghoff: We will save that conversation for the end of the episode to really hook all of the hardcore UFC fans.

 

[00:03:15] Jaime Masters: Because somebody else… It’s funny because when I first had Hal on my show, I was like, “Wait a minute, you like UFC? We can talk about this forever,” and then he was like, “Oh yeah, my audience only maybe 2% actually like UFC.”

 

[00:03:28] Jon Berghoff: What do you love about UFC? What do you appreciate about UFC fighting?

 

[00:03:33] Jaime Masters: My story starts where, I speak, while I was speaking in Vegas, I got followed back to my hotel room which sucks

 

[00:03:40] Jon Berghoff: Just another Tuesday for me.

 

[00:03:44] Jaime Masters: So, you know how to take of yourself then. I did not at the time, many years ago. I’ve been followed in the grocery store, like literally guys don’t understand this. I started martial arts probably almost six years ago. It was more or less me just trying to figure that piece out and then when you realize that you can watch other people do it and learn. I so, I loved the learning aspect of it. Later on I love fighting in general I think it is awesome. But know I love the clattery and this sportsmanship and knowing the fighters and all that fun stuff. But beforehand it was more like, what did he do, because I did Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and a bunch of different types of martial arts.

 

[00:04:19] Jon Berghoff: That is really cool, I’m glad you shared that because even though we are just joking about this and people are here to learn how to achieve their goals. One of the things I appreciate that Hal helped me to appreciate is the wisdom and the depth and the technique and the complexity of becoming a UFC fighter. It is not just a super primal thing but it is a lot that they have to learn, so I’ve come appreciate that. Maybe before we are done here, we will talk more about UFC fighting. I love it.

 

[00:04:42] Jaime Masters: Deal, deal.

 

[00:04:44] Jon Berghoff: What else do you like to talk about outside of UFC fighting? So, you have interviewed all these millionaires. You are in demand as a coach. What do you find yourself coaching people on most these days?

 

[00:04:54] Jaime Masters: I’ve had a lot of amazing high levels great clients and they all sound the same in a good way and not so good way. I feel like entrepreneurs in general have a very typical traits where brains are crazy, we are over achievers, we feel good when we get stuff done. Sometimes that makes us a little nuts in general. We see opportunities everywhere. I literally have ADD, a lot of the people I have interviewed have ADD and so it is how do we mitigate be able to have the best life humanly possible because to me it is… I know I interview millionaires but it is actually not about the money.

 

My site really talks about how it is about life first, then money because I had a corporate job, six figures at 22 that I hated and sort of asked myself, “Is this all that life is?” And that sucks. And figuring out those pieces and realizing and understanding that, yes you can have both. You can have a really, really enjoyable life, love what you are doing business wise, personally in general, and look for happiness and work on making more money because that is fine too it gives you a lot more opportunities.

 

A lot of the things that I work on with clients is, how do we do both of those things in business. I actually end up talking about taking their wives on vacations and actually enjoying yourself more, and how can we be more efficient with what we choose, how can we pair down and use 80/20 lower? This is so simple, simple stuff that people have heard a thousand times before. When you are stuck in the weeds, it is really hard to actually implement and do yourself unless you have someone like me with my with my karate stance trying to hit you in the face and then I will do it. That is all I do.

 

[00:06:28] Jon Berghoff: I love that, I love that. Give us some examples. You teed up this topic of… You did not use this way but I’m just talking about like a balance between harmony between work and life. What are some examples of the big lessons that you have learned or lessons that you share with your clients to help them to achieve both financially with their business and in their lives?

 

[00:06:50] Jaime Masters: A couple of things will be pairing down what you are doing. We assume that we can do everything, we are really smart. “Yeah, go us.” We also think that we can do it better than everybody else unfortunately. We put so much pressure on ourselves as human beings to especially the people in this group, I am sure. They are like, “I want it to be better, I want enjoy my… I want everything in this one life that we have.” Which is I think an amazing wonderful thing that also can drive you crazy. The book, Essentialism, The One Thing, all those things talk about that. But actually looking at what you are doing on a day to day basis and pair down the stuff that is not serving you/ Focus is the word that comes up over and over and over in these millionaire interviews. A lot of the times people think, “Well, they are serial entrepreneurs.” Well yeah, they do one at a time though until they get good at it and then will do multiple things for sure.

 

But being able to make sure that you are really putting your time, because time is the only thing that we cannot get more of. Putting your time in the right place and sometimes that is family. That should be family a lot more, most likely than it is for most people anyway. I will give you an example from his week. Because we are over achievers and we have this big long to do list than never always get done. You feel like you are always behind the eight ball.  

 

I like to liken it to as if you are running but tripping at the same time and almost falling to hit your face every second as an entrepreneur, like kick it and get it all done. And if you don’t keep trying to run then you will fall and you will feel crappy in that position and that they assume they need to get ahead of their tasks in order to feel like they are standing up straight. To me I think it is all perception. We are never going to get all done. You are lucky that we live as long as we do nowadays. Really prioritizing the stuff that does make a difference. Doing that first, I know people have had this before they are like, “Jaime thanks, this is helpful awesome.”

 

[00:08:48] Jaime Masters: But making sure that that stuff gets done. For example I had a client who is amazing, achieved so much and because of that he had so many opportunities and was just feeling overwhelmed. That happens sometimes. I was like, “Okay we need to take a break.” He was like, “I cannot take a break, because I do stuff right.” This is sort of a thing that people say over and over. I did too, I cannot say anything. But what I liked to do is sort of help people do a reset. Because I feel like you can be better and more efficient if you are in your business or in your personal life or a corporate job or whatever I is if you actually are in a better state. If you are happier. I was talking to a friend about Einstein time versus Newtonian time so I mentioned this a little bit beforehand. Have you ever heard that before?

 

[00:09:29] Jon Berghoff: No, but I’m interested. Tell me about that.

 

[00:09:32] Jaime Masters: Newtonian time, because he came first, Nit for Newton. He says that, time is fixed. So a second is a second is a second is a second. Like, “ ok great, we cannot change it, it’s time.” Einstein came in and said, no, no time is relative. It can ebb and flow, which most people don’t realize or even realize that the science… Like it’s Albert Einstein. He went through the math of this and this is true. But let me give you an example so it is helpful. If you put your hand on a hot stove, feels like pain. It feels like time sort of slows down but when you are having an amazing time, out with a lover, on a date, going water skiing, or whatever it is you are like, it can be four hours and feel like absolutely nothing. Especially when you are a kid waiting for Christmas. We can use that to our advantage with what we do. So for example this person that I am now chatting with he has two amazing businesses and one he does content marketing for and he needs to write. He’s like, “I feel like I have so much to do.”

 

I told him to actually take a break instead and try to get in a better state before we try and do all this to do list builder stuff because, I don’t know if you’ve ever thought this, but when you come out of your to do list or writing a blog post or whatever it is and you are in this, aaah, it doesn’t work. You get frustrated, you feel like you are not doing it fast enough but if you come out of it with you feeling amazing it can flow and something that would have normally taken me four hours to write could take you thirty minutes and it would be nothing. What I don’t think people do enough is really work on getting into that piece. That’s how we become more efficient, not just doing more tasks faster. It’s getting into that state so you are also enjoying what you are doing. Who knew we can actually do both?

 

[00:11:23] Jaime Masters: There’s actually a good book that just came out this week actually it’s called Stealing Fire by Jamie Wheel and Steven Kotler which talks about hacking… They run The Genome Flow Project that hacking the state of flow. What you want to do especially as a business owner if you get into that peace, you can be way more efficient and feel amazingly good because that’s what we should be trying to do. Only one life you might as well feel as good as you can. That’s the whole point of the Miracle Morning to start your day off feeling really, really amazing so the rest of it lines up too. Told you I get on tangents but what happened with that client was he called me back the next day and he goes, “By the way the next day I decided to just go get a massage and I came back and I wrote a ton more than I ever had before.” I was like, “Exactly and you got a massage.”

 

[00:12:09] Jon Berghoff: Good for the massage business too.

 

[00:12:12] Jaime Masters: Does that make sense?

 

[00:12:13] Jon Berghoff: Yeah, it makes so much sense and I was just taking notes as you are sharing here and I love this idea of thinking about time a little bit differently and I find that what you just said is so true for me. I often will have projects that are really important and they are so important and I have so many of them that I can spend a lot of time thinking about them and thinking about how important they are and how monumental of a task it will be. I’m blown away at times when I finally sit down and realize that it’s something that had been taking up so much of my energy it only took me twenty minutes to actually get it done. Part of what I’ve eventually learned how to do is now I just go running in the woods or I just don’t go to the office because I find if I do something that actually lifts up my personal well being, I can go in go to work get more work done and not waste time thinking about all this stuff so I love that.

 

[00:13:06] Jaime Masters: We’ll drive ourselves crazy with our own brains like we think we are being smart about it all and it just makes us feel crazier. I meditate everyday but not only do I meditate in the morning my miracle morning in general I do some of the favors I don’t do all of them, shh don’t tell Hal! But I’ll take breaks. If I’m feeling frustrated I will take a fifteen minute meditation break and come back and be like, “Okay,” because that reset makes a huge difference. I’m a single mom with two kids and the beginning of my business I only worked twenty hours a week so every second did count like, “Oh my gosh I only have so much time.” I have had so much time issues hence the reason why I really delved into this because I had to make sure that every second did count. I drove myself crazy beforehand when I was like, “Ahhh go,” and then what kind of life is that?

 

[00:13:58] Jon Berghoff: Jaime what form of meditation do you practice?

 

[00:14:02] Jaime Masters: It’s a great question so actually for my birthday four weeks ago I went to a Joe Dispenza retreat. Have you ever heard of Joe Dispenza?

 

[00:14:09] Jon Berghoff: I don’t think so.

 

[00:14:09] Jaime Masters: He wrote a book called You Are The Placebo and he talks about how I love how sciencey because there is the spiritual, there is the super cloud and I am friends with a ton of them too but I like science first and then move on from there so I’ve been meditating for over ten years because I had children and needed to meditate. I could only do like five maybe minutes at a time way back when and trying to turn off my entrepreneur brain was difficult. Even now when I tell clients, “I think you should meditate,” they are like, “Not me Jaime I’m not that type of person,” which I completely understand because I wasn’t either. Now I’m like one of those crazy people that have in my closet a whole meditation area. I literally will meditate for half an hour to an hour every morning with my meditation bench and my blindfold thing to really reset.

 

One of the things that Joe Dispenza talks about is healing your body because I’m actually technically mutant I have extra bones in my body which is normal and so I needed surgery and I didn’t want to necessarily go and get surgery. I started going down this You Are The Placebo path to see if I could heal it because I couldn’t even really walk. I had a big old boot and I had foot surgery on the other foot which was miserable with six months before I could actually walk straight and all sorts of craziness. So I went down the path of trying to see what I could do using a placebo effect in my own body to heal it. So I started meditating a lot more, probably a year, a year and a half ago.

 

[00:15:33] Jon Berghoff: That’s awesome. That’s really cool. Yeah, Hal and I are both huge fans and advocates of meditation. I’ve been a big fan of a woman named Julianna Raye who was a 20 plus years apprentice of Shinzen Young who created a program called Unified Mindfulness.

 

[00:15:50] Jaime Masters: ooo I don’t that!

 

[00:15:50] Jon Berghoff: It’s pretty cool. When he created it 30 years ago and if anyone is listening they want to check it out, I think their website is unifiedmindfulness.com and Julianna has these like free training videos, you can learn the practice for free. When he created it 30 years ago, I’m sharing this because of what you said earlier about science. He originally created so he was home boys with John Cabbot Zin they were like buddies. John Cabbot Zin I think that’s his name, right? John Cabbot is the guy who’s credited for making meditation really popular in our country. He helped make it really popular where Shinzen was over in a laboratory designing a form of meditation that could be researched by universities. And it was. It was researched by Harvard and MIT and it was one of the very few forms of meditation that was designed for that purpose and that has been evaluated in that way.

 

That’s one of the reasons I love it. I’m glad that you brought this up because I just hope that anyone who’s listening considers that meditation and mindfulness it’s like this emerging industry and that’s not a mistake. It’s because people are seeing this connections, oh wow, like if I deconstruct who I am when I go to work, like at the very core it’s my ability to pay attention or my attention skills. If I can build those and I can’t build them by listening to you and I talk right now. I have to build them by going to the gym. If we talked about lifting weights and doing pushups, it’s not going to make us any stronger. If it did that would be sweet. You have to actually do it. So people have to actually have a formal practice because when you actually sit or if you have… What I love about unified is I can do it while we are talking right now which is totally that’s the best part.

 

It’s you can do it while you are driving the car, on the phone but you have to have a formal practice to build those attention muscles. I love hearing that that’s a big thing that you are coaching people on. Jaime what have we not talked about but you’ve interviewed all of these millionaires. What are some of the things that you’ve learned that maybe would be most surprising to anyone listening right now? Like they’d be surprised that a lot of these folks that are really successful, have certain habits or mindsets. Is there anything that’s been surprising for you?

 

[00:17:55] Jaime Masters: There’s a lot of little things that I think really add up. One of the reasons I started interviewing these… Because I come from a small town of 2,000 people in the middle of nowhere in Maine. I didn’t know any millionaires and when I found my mentor who was a business coach, that was almost probably ten years ago, I was like, “Do you know any millionaires that I could interview?” He was like, “Not anyone that’s going to say it on camera.” So I didn’t know any at all. So I put them on this huge pedestal. Oh what do they have that we don’t, that sort of thing. Then I started reaching out and interviewing them and I was like, “They make more spelling mistakes than almost anyone. Oh my gosh, they are really human beings. Ah, who knew?”

 

What’s so crazy is to do that, yes success is one thing but everybody is doing the best they can with what they got. So really hearing these stories and become… I’m friends with so many of the people I interview thank goodness they are amazing human beings. Because when I got to like big press outlets people are like “they are greedy and blah blah blah.” Most of them are some of the most giving people, they have charity, like they care so much. Or at least the ones I know are,  don’t know about the rest of them 😉 But being able to make sure that they are just human beings doing what they can and making sure that their life is better and better every day. They have this sort of innate – or at least it feels like it’s innate at least for everybody I’m talking to – need for improvement or continuous form of motion and progress.

 

That came up over and over and over again. It’s like why would I get better? Instead of not doing that which to me I’m an overachiever so I just assumed that everybody was like this and apparently that’s not true. But I thought it was more like a skill set kind of thing. Like oh, they must have had this but I found so many and so many different ways. To me one of the biggest things that they know that we don’t, is that they know what their strengths are and they level the heck up out of that. Now they can be completely different strengths. Some of the businesses I’ve interviewed like nuts.

 

[00:19:54] Jaime Masters: But they know exactly what they’re really, really good at and they love doing within that and they outsource the rest as much as they can and they continually test and test and get better and better and better and one of the things actually that came up after quite a few interviews was, and I coined it this, but they say it in many different formats. That, it’s the commitment to the goals that counts. It’s the, “I’m going to figure this out no matter what.” Instead of, “I’m going to dabble and see if something hits.”

 

Even in business it’s the same way, people are, “Oh I’ll just try this and try that,” and while that’s good for taking action and learning things, if you are like, “I’m going to figure this out until I know this don’t work.” And you keep moving forward that’s what they are really, really good at. That along with speed of implementation so like you said, “Wait I don’t have to think about something and plan about it forever, I set myself in a good state, I take the twenty minutes and wow that was way easier than I thought.” Does that make sense? I guess that’s a lot.

 

[00:20:54] Jon Berghoff: It’s awesome so I’ve got to comment on some of these things. I’m sure our listeners are like, “Jon we don’t want to hear from you just ask Jaime another question.” But I’ve got to say something about this. By the way speed of implementation that’s one of my favorite things about Hal. Hal we joke all the time like he and I will be having a conversation about something that needs to get done and for a split second I’m like, “Hal are you there, are you listening?” He goes, “Yeah sorry I just finished doing what you are sitting there talking about us doing next week. It’s all done.” We’ll talk about how we need to have a conversation with somebody and by the time I’m done trying to think out loud what that conversation will be he will have already texted it to that person. It’s so funny.

 

[00:21:32] Jaime Masters: Yes! Well this week I told quite a few people about that book literary while I’m on my phone with my coaching clients and again those are six or seven figure people. They are like, “Oh by the way I bought it.” and I’m like, “Of course you did.” I would do the same thing because I won’t remember later in like two seconds. I’ll buy it now and it’ll be on my doorstep. It makes a huge difference and it gets it out of your brain because otherwise, and I’ve interviewed David Allen from Getting Things Done I don’t know if you know him but he is, “Your brain is not meant to remind you of things. It should technically be empty. It should be empty and it should be used for cognition not to “Did I order the dog food? Did I order the dog food? I didn’t order the dog food, I forgot to order the dog food.”

 

[00:22:11] Jon Berghoff: Yeah I like that, thanks for giving me permission to forget things. I didn’t need it but now I really appreciate it. Jaime you said two other things, one in particular that I want to call attention to. It was the first thing you said is that these successful people that you’ve interviewed hundreds of them, they know their strengths. I just want to reinforce this point for all of our listeners. In the last fifteen years if you travelled through any airport you would have noticed, if you look on the book shelves, that there was an emergence of an entire concept that some people call it The Strengths Revolution. In fact, there is assessments you can take, there is the Stress Finder Assessment, there is the VIA assessment.

 

These assessments somewhere north of eight or nine million people have taken these one or two strengths type assessments and in fact one of our, I know he’s watching right now because I see him on the live stream, Mike Merriam just published a book called Closer Than You Think. In his book he talks to people all about how one of the six most important questions they need to be is asking “what am I good at?” The work that I do every day we are helping whole systems of people figure out how to reconfigure and create new configurations of strengths which is just another way of saying, “How do you bring together everybody’s individual strengths?” Because that’s all we have. I have in my hand, if you are watching the live stream, this is a report that Gallop just published. It’s The State Of The American Workplace Report. It’s like two hundred pages on data and it’s fascinating stuff. It talks about disengagement, seven out of ten people are totally disengaged.

 

What’s interesting is when you dig in the data you find that the leading thing, if I can show you the page in the report, the thing that people will drive engagement more than anything else is if they are able to do what they are good at, if they are able to use their skill. If you lead or manage other people, this point that Jaime just brought up it’s not only important for us as individuals that keep asking, “What am I good at and how do I stop trying to do all the things that I’m not good at?”

 

[00:24:13] Jon Berghoff: But also those around you and also those that you partner with and those that you collaborate with because they can fall into the same trap that I can where I think I could just do everything. I’m always really careful when I’m partnering with somebody and saying, “Hey look, what are you really, really good at? Not what you are good at but what is the one thing that you are best at?”

 

That’s probably the focal point through which I want to partner with you on and no offense but the things that you are good at but not the best in the world at we should go find whoever is best at that. I love that point of knowing our strengths and I just hope our listeners take that to heart. Jaime we could either go back to talking about the UFC which I would be cool with, I know Hal would be fine with that, we might lose a couple of our listeners. I don’t know. I’d love to know any parting wisdom and again your book and I’ve got it on the other side of my page here, “Eventual Millionaire”, what else can people learn from you at eventualimillionaire.com? That’s a guess.

 

[00:25:09] Jaime Masters: That is a good guess, 100% gold star for you for the day. I just wanted to say something about the strengths thing because I don’t think people understand this. It is an evolutionary process to figure that out. It’s not your one day like “ding!”. I was a project manager for a very long time and I was like, “I can do this.” I didn’t realize how I was white knuckling it, even though that’s what I thought, I thought I’m good at it. Now I look at details and I’m like, “I’ll be sending that to my team. I don’t want to deal with that or I had to book a plane ticket. I don’t want to, it will take me forever.

 

I don’t want that but I thought that that was my thing. I mean I even started medical illustration in college and then I switched to computers. I have a degree in computers and so looking at the idea that you need to test things and figure it out I didn’t know I was good at interviewing. I actually sucked at interviewing for quite a few interviews at first. It took a very long time to actually realize, “Hey I’m actually good at this.” It’s an evolutionary process and I love the assessments they take and help you reassess and see from the outside. I’ve literary taken every assessment that I possibly can to try and figure out what’s in between our two ears. That’s what I feel we are really doing sort of we are doing with mindfulness, it’s what we are doing with business trying to level that peace and just trying to figure ourselves out because why wouldn’t we?

 

[00:26:30] Jon Berghoff: I love that, I have in my hand… I’m like a plug for anybody who has anything that’s sitting on my desk. This is a book that one of our Quantum Lead Mastermind members Julie Reisler just published. It’s called Getting a PhD in You and by the way if you are watching the live stream you’ve got to look at this book. This book is like artwork. The inside of it, in the book is like part journal, part workbook but the entire thing is beautifully designed so she did a killer job.

 

Those of you that are authors or aspiring authors and you value aesthetics like the design element, Getting A PhD In You is a good model. One of the things that she has people doing in her book is reflecting on their strengths and connecting dots in their lives so as soon as you said finding your strengths is an evolutionary process it reminded me that this is a course in molecular self-discovery. It is a course, it’s a journey, it’s not like I wake up and I know my strengths I’m going to use them and they are evolving too.

 

[00:27:37] Jaime Masters: Thinking of the resources that we do have now… Bbefore the internet I remember encyclopedias. You couldn’t learn this stuff, you couldn’t find out from amazing people different exercises and tactics that would speed the implementation and knowing about yourself better and still think we live in the world that we do now.

 

[00:27:54] Jon Berghoff: Yeah, that is awesome. Jaime look, let’s finish with this. This is the most important thing I could ask. In a fight between Conor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather what would happen?

 

[00:28:06] Jaime Masters: Can I say what I hope will happen?

 

[00:28:09] Jon Berghoff: Yeah, what do you hope would happen and what do you think would happen?

 

[00:28:12] Jaime Masters: Connor McGregor, rear naked choke, Floyd Mayweather on the ground. That’s what I would like to see.

 

[00:28:16] Jon Berghoff: But they are probably going to box, they are probably not going to let him do that.

 

[00:28:19] Jaime Masters: Ideally I would love to see that in general. My Dad used to watch boxing, I never got into boxing. Don’t get me wrong I do Muay Thai now so like I get it but let Conor do his thing. Anyway I’m obsessed. I can go down a huge tangent of UFC and what I think people could do. The interesting thing though about the UFC side is that they freaking know their strengths too by the way.

 

So when Diaz and Conor McGregor fought you are like, “Oh, interesting, that’s sweet, Connor was good at everything, oh wait he could probably work on that.” So it’s figuring out what you are really good or Ronda Rousey with everything she did had nothing to do with getting hit in the face. She was horrible, horrible at stand up and we didn’t realize that. She leveled up her strengths for so long she was the champion forever from a couple moves that she was really good at. You know what I mean?

 

[00:29:14] Jon Berghoff: Yeah, that’s awesome. Jaime thank you for this, thank you for jumping in and adding a ton of value to our Achieve Your Goals Podcast community and our live stream community. We wish you the best, we’ll stay connected this was awesome thank you.

 

[00:29:31] Jaime Masters: If you are ever in Austin let me know because I live really close to Hal so let me know so we can meet in person because I’m not going to Ohio sorry.

 

[00:29:40] Jon Berghoff: You are not coming to Ohio, it’s not on your bucket list?

 

[00:29:41] Jaime Masters: It’s not on the plan.

 

[00:29:42] Jon Berghoff: You ought to rethink that.

 

[00:29:45] Jaime Masters: You convince me later.

 

[00:29:46] Jon Berghoff: Alright, cheers Jamie take care.

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